Aiming doesn’t matter to them that much thou.
With dva its just close the gap and shoot, lucio is just poke that might kill someone eventually. Like when you are picking lucio, do you pick him for his gun?
A real shooter hero is something like Mccree.
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'Scuse me, you said shooting, not aiming.
But since this game revolves around different characters and palystyles I don’t see why it’s a problem that one aspect is weaker right now. There were always weaker apsects. Reinhardt wasn’t strong during actual high level dive for example, now he’s pretty much the cornerstone of the meta.
Soldier for example was part of poke dive compositions with Zenyatta, and there was that temporary situation wit double snipers between then and now. These things change.
Yeah but i didnt mention goats because they didnt shot or aim, i mentioned them because they punished that aspect. Like when you are vs goats, you’ll be shooting 30 sec into nothing. 1st its the dva matrix then its Zarya shield then its Rine shield, then its Dva’s matrix again then its bubbles again then its sheild again. Whats that you managed to get pass every deff cd? Well now there is Brig and her armor and ult, then its Lucios ult, then its Zen ult etc etc. Thats what i ment by
You can be an aimhacker, there is no outplaying this def cds.
Go Symm-Bastion-Orisa. At least some people managed to beat GOATS with that.
VS goats i dont go Sym nor Orisa. Orisa vs rine is bad, her shield is way to easy to time and it will just bate the team into shatters. I’ve seen how the pros use Symm but with a non pro team Lucio just speeds the other team and the Sym is dead, You might run Lucio on your team but Lucio works a lot better with thanks then Sym as well.
Vs Goats i just mirror or pick Sombra Bastion. (Use to be Sombra Doomfist before they killed DF for high rank) And still, Im a fan of point perfect aiming heroes like Widow, Mcree, Ashe, Ana and goats make them impossible to play even if you are aim hacking vs them.
Even after the armor nerf and reaper buff, Goats are used by pro teams on the PTR 75%+ pick rate… Like for real Blizzard just gived up when they made goats, they just saw how everyone can win with this teamcomp and kept to for the casual ranked player or something like that. Funny how they didn’t learn anything for the quad tank ana meta and are easy to repeat the same misstakes.
You clearly didn’t see when a three stack of pro players went against a three stack of OTPs. The Orisa, Symmetra and Bastion OTPs mopped the floor with the pros, almost every time, even if they went GOATS, even if they went dive.
Yes, then why isn’t that team comp meta but goats is? Because it takes 1-2 Swaps to counter that teamcomp… unlike goats…
It’s because these are all off-meta picks and most people aren’t used to play them. As much as most of these heroes are considered easy to use they take a lot of practice to be played effectively against high tier and good players. That’s why only a handful of players play them. But it easily counters GOATS, it’s proven.
It is a counter, im not saying that its not, but then Goats just sac someone to have a Sombra with them that will stop Orisa’s drump & shield, Syms shield wall and Bastion with one ult. Even if its not Sombra they are other picks that can do that job, you mostly need something to deal with the Orisa shield and that team comp is finished.
Not to mention that comp is mainly for 2cp deffences. In high rank most teams wont even let the attacking bastion comp even set up once. Not to mention attack symmetra that is indeed better then before but still meh.
Just Trade Brig for Sombra and that team comp is finished. Since goats ults are a 100% team wipe and that ult fight just gets better with Sombra.
If its not Sombra then just go Hanzo for the Zarya Hanzo ult bombo vs the team that will stay behind the Orisa shield and the Shield killing power Hanzo has.
The only example we have of that working, is a three stack of some of the best one trick orisa, symm and bastion players in the world, vs some of the best players in the world. It was quite clear from the games, that the more they played vs each other the less favoured the one tricks became, also some of the team8s were heavily hindering one team some times. It has yet to be replicated to any extent in controlled pro environment.
Its funny we had 1 month of sniper meta yet close to half a year of goats.
Its like Blizzard went, Whait guys with snipers we are actually expecting people to aim and play good and that’s a nono for this game. Lets nerf the snipers and power creep tanks and supports again. That way everyone can be a pro player. We are genius.
It does in no way easily counter goats, we have seen 1 evidence of like 3-6 games of them winning and losing to different comps. We have seen 0 evidence of the comp working in full pro vs pro scenarios, so your “proven” quite clearly is not proven, since the intentional way of the playing the game, shows that the comp isn´t countered by the other.
I mean that team comp did do well on the 2n point on hanamura, Thanks to the Sym tping Bastion and Orisa on the Left side on the 2n point. But on every other map its bound to fail even without swaps from the goats. But its funny to use Sym tp to dodge D.va ults and such. But yeah not as effecting i can agree on that.
Bound to fail, the biggest reason they won and the only game they won big, was the first game, where the people were caught off guard by the whole thing.
Also they didn´t nerf the snipers and buff the supports/tanks. The tanks and supports have always been eavily overtuned, the goats comp just showed how bad it is now wit brig.
Its funny on the PTR Goats are at 75% pick rate from pro teams skirmishes.
That really worries me.
They nerfs Hanzos Jump by 1 sec They nerfs Widows hook from 6 sec to 10 she was meta when they buffed her hook from 12 sec down to 6 but that was live only for 1 month. Then they nerf’d Widows SMG dmg. And then they nerf’d Mercy, the support that made picks like Mccree or Widow a thing.
They buffed Lucio, Ana and someone els i forgot whos ults.
Exactly, it was never the nerf to hanzo, widow that made them go out of meta. It was the prevelancy of the other support heroes and their comps (goats), combined with the fact, that Mercy now was more balanced and less overall the best option.
Yes but it did stop sniper comps.
After the armor nerf goats are at 75% on the ptr, meaning it didnt work as they intended.
A hero like reaper will aways be a joke in high rank. Just like doomfist.
This is largely doiong to the comp still having D,va make all theoretical couters, none counters. D.va have been so oppressive for long, it is funny how they first now begin to make some changes to her overtuned kit.
Also reaper makes no impact, since d.va can still f*ck him up and the goats comp operate on picking one target and litterally instantly delete them, there is nothing to do about that. More healing won´t help unless he gets faster damage output and more of it or more health / dmg reduction.