Tank 0-2 cant remember damage
Me 2-1 900
other dps 1-2 1200
Tank starts to randomly type 900??? 900??? because I had 900 damage,
So because I had slightly less damage I was now the target of blame, within one minute of the game despite having the highest k/d soo far.
This is a pretty common for me playing Tracer and I just don’t understand it. Some games I can have a crazy k/d in comparison to the other dps, my final blows can be the the same or near to their elims and have half their deaths but because they have 12k damage and I have say 7-8k, I get stuff like “Tracer can you do more damage” or some other bs like this.
They then type at the end “Tracer diff” and quite a few times the other team is like what ?? The tracer was your best player or The tracer was the only one doing anything etc etc
I dont want to sound like I am bragging or whatever because Im like plat so nothing really to brag about but it just confuses me why there is people that point blame at the very start of games over a 300 damage difference and create a toxic environment on the team for the rest of the game.
It makes me not want to do any more damage for the rest of the game or just leave.
Also on a side note matchmaker is doing its thing again, won 8/10 placements on an alt just now and then lost pretty much every game after that until my winrate was 50/50 again in stomps, watching my team get rolled were I am 15-6 and the other dps is 16-18…. 12 more deaths than I have. Completely bs, unfair match matchmaking.
I’ve gone 10-1 and 30-2 on Sombra and still get insulted and people demanding i swap because i’m not pumping 100% of my damage into the enemy raid boss tank, as i do what a Sombra should do, go for the enemy Widow and support.
“lololol Sombra no damage lol swap noob” etc has become the typical nonsense i put up with in chat. I ignore them though, because at the end of the day, i get more picks than them, while they waste their time focusing 100% on the enemy tank who’s being double pocketed (Until i roll their supports).
People who whine about Sombra and Tracer doing less damage than the other dps, are just clueless people. Just ignore them.
If they want to look at the scoreboard, then tell them to look at the KDR and assists, because those numbers matter more than damage numbers, which is an incredibly stupid stat to have on a scoreboard.
Ye its exactly the same for me thats what Im saying, I can literally drop people like flies and still get insulted.
I just gave that example because of how quickly it had started in that match yesterday but I main Tracer/Sombra so there is countless times I have ended games with good k/ds and been attacked because I hadn’t farmed the tank.
I do normally point out the k/ds to them but its not even worth it, you just end up silenced/suspended for doing so.
Sure, I did, but mine wasn’t a meritless claim, matching me with people that end the game with 12… 12 !!! MORE deaths than I have, which is a meaningful stat, is not exactly competitive or fair for me.
Also played that alt for 1 day and have a chat warning already for replying to these people , its absolutely insane that people are allowed to abuse you like this and then report you for replying.
one of the games, after my team had been stomped 3 times, with me last alive every single time I said “is there anybody I can swap to that would help keep you alive” not targetted at anybody it was a genuine question, I then started receiving abuse, I was genuinely asking, is there anybody I can play that would provide you more survivabilty as a team.
It shouldnt be hard to look at the stats and go hmm that one player in the team has died 4x the amount as everybody else on the team, maybe they dont really deserve to gain SR for this match or maybe we should even take SR from them because its clear they were a burden and the team carried them.
I agree tho, they dont look at individual stats and thats why its a complete mess and mostly a luck based system where you rank or not, play on multiple accounts and they can rank in vastly different places depending what side of the coin you flipped playing exactly the same.
I agree, it shouldn’t. But stats in a single match don’t really mean a lot.
It’s why they binned PBSR. It was artificially boosting and punishing players out of context.
I have had 6 accounts that have all ranked around the same place. One went a lot higher, because I was hard grinding, playing hours and hours. But even that one’s settled to the same place. Getting another account because you’re stuck is a waste of time. I only ever got them to challenge my self to see what rank I could get maining a hero, I only have 2 accounts I actually bother with now.
But there will always be some variance. But never drastic. (Unless you deliberately do things to manipulate it)
ye I only have 1 other account, I only play it when I cant play on my main or Its on a bad streak but I still want to play.
But I know you can rank vastly different on different accounts.
That just means they implemented the system badly, context matters alot yes and small stat differences should not be taken into account, but huge, extreme differences in a stat such as deaths is a very clear indicator that something is not right.
Also this is why I got suspended
“because all you are doing is crying and not healing”, “he kileld you”, “need damage my ass”, “learn to play ffs”, “f noob”.
Out of context it looks pretty bad, the last 2 are fair enough but the rest of them are valid ngl.
“He killed you”… he did, I remember that match… I was being to told to swap because a genji was destroying the team and I “cant counter him”
I said I can counter him because he hasnt killed me yet, he killed you.
Not toxic atall, and I literally carried that match .
The pattern of all these is my team getting absolutely destroyed, and then blaming me for staying alive.
“need damage my ass” was actually factual aswell because again what we needed was for them to stay alive not more damage from the Tracer.
I agree that a couple ranks difference doesnt mean much, silver,gold,plat just feels exactly the same, with maybe a slight, very slight bit more consistency as you reach plat, but nothing notable.
comp just feels very luck/algorithm based. You either roll onto the team with the good tank and are allowed all the space in the world to kill the enemy, or you get the bad tank and are on the backfoot the whole game watching your team die.
I would estimate around 20% of my games feel evenly balanced and fair, the rest are me feeling like a god or wanting to cry.
I get it, I used to think the game was against me all the time. Turns out I was just rubbish lol.
Again, the word feels carrying a lot of weight there. Sometimes people are just going have a stinker and it all goes to pot. Or that random chap who just loses it and tilts for no reason.
Or the guy looking at tinder who forgets to pick a hero and leads to a roll on the first fight.
It certainly wouldn’t do them any harm. When they spoke about it, it seemed like it didn’t matter what stats they’d use, it would boost some players.
I’d imagine part of the reason they scrapped it was because it was just more hassle than it was worth and keeping it simple produced more accurate results.
People could just stop blaming their team anyways… Bold idea I know.
In theory and requires every player to have played a high number of games because of the Law of Large Numbers and random variation.
After 1000 games you are probably where you are supposed to be, but players who have just ranked luckily/unluckily might be many ranks above or below you in 1000 games and are playing along side you, it doesnt really work. It takes a huge amount of time/games for the randomness to level out.
So even if I am where I am supposed to be, there are people much better/worse also where I am. pbsr would get those people to where they should be quicker and make everybodys games more balanced and fun. Which is all I really care about, I dont want to stomp or be stomped, I want the 20% of fair games I play to be 100%
That player crying their rank is wrong, and it turns out they’ve played just an hour of ranked, should slapped down immediately.
Ranked is about a large volume of games. It why the odd bad game with the scummy stuff happening (a leaver, a cheater, a rare spotted smurf) isn’t going to impact your rank. It’ll just slightly slow any short term climb.
They discussed this in the matchamaking interview. It’s something they’re always looking at because no one wants a stomp. But most stomps are just the consequence of the actions in the match. So there is very little they can do. OW1 and 2 are by their nature snowbally games. Stomps are part of the game.
Next time you get a stomp. Watch it back from all perspectives. I bet you find multiple times where someone just f’s up something, which causes that fight to be lost, which spirals in to teams staggering and not paying attention. Then someone tilts and gives up and boom… Game over.
Had a game in Havana last night. Lobbies were fine, but we decided to hold spawn at the start. Rein, Sym, Mei… Ended 1-0 purely because they tilted and started moaning at each other.
Next match, came up against the same trio… They beat us comfortably because we made mistakes and were uncoordinated.
OW1 was never this bad tho, because all the roles had more equal influence and not over 50% of the teams influence on one overpowered tank.
In 1 you could lose a tank and still hold out for a little until the 2nd tank got back, in 2 if your tank makes a mistake and dies the whole team pretty much gets rolled instantly.
I can make a mistake on Tracer and die, team doesnt get rolled
Moira can go flanking and get killed, team doesnt get rolled
But if the tank player makes a mistake then your team is almost guaranteed to get wiped or forced into retreat.
You forgetting every 2cp game that one team snowballed, and then other couldn’t even push through choke.
So many games lost because the 2 tanks both played off tanks and walked into an enemy sigma Orissa.
It’s the nature of the game. this stuffs been happening since day 1.
Just seen something that YourOverwatch has said in twitter (that guy has the most annoying voice…)
h ttps://x.com/YourOverwatchYT/status/1811449452894326996?t=vuiKotVkR_jZtff12PXnrg&s=19
2-2-2 was always a band aid, because games were lopsided and awful quite often. Not because of skill, but because of hero picks. (You see a small scale version of it in open queue still). Theres never been enough tank players.
If they go back to 6v6, it’ll be 1 tank still. Even before he left Kaplan was pushing for 1-3-2… But then OW2 got pushed out early so they could actually try make some money.
