Homophobia encompasses a range of negative attitudes and feelings toward homosexuality or people who are identified or perceived as being […] (LGBT). It has been defined as contempt, prejudice, aversion, hatred or antipathy, may be based on irrational fear, and is often related to religious beliefs.
In conclusion, the term “Homophobia” isn’t constructed with “h0m0” and “phobia”, but with a short version of “homosexual” and “phobia”.
Also, all definitions I’ve looked (Oxford, Wikipedia, Cambridge, Merriam-Webster) have a similar definition: Fear or dislike of homosexual people.
So if you say “I don’t like g4y people”, you are homophobic by definition.
“Hope you learned something today, have a nice one”
Starting with this I was expecting a tricky reply, but as it seems from the rest of your post, you totaly agree with what I said and we are saying the same thing so if im twisting you’re twisting. The whole thing kind of left me confused.
Dislike and not liking is not the same thing, not having warm feelings towards someone (being neutral) is not the same as being hateful or negative against someone.
Twisting the words and finding your own logic don’t always work someone said to me, I can relate.
Question (for an honest answer): Would you rather be h0m0phobic or h0m0sessual?
“Hope you considered something today, have a nice one”
That question doesn’t work because I’m in fact homosexual
Also homophobic and homosexual are not polar opposites. Homosexuality is about identity while homophobia is about tolerance. Just because you don’t want to identify as a homosexual doesn’t mean you don’t tolerate homosexuals.
Hold on, I doubt that “not liking” has an equal meaning like “not having warm feelings”. How can a negative expression turn into a neutral one? Wouldn’t “not minding” be better suited to express a neutral opinion?
If you say “I don’t like something”, you express a negative attitude to the said thing. “I dislike something” has a bigger impact but both phrases express a negative attitude. If “I don’t like homosexuals” express a negative attitude to those people, then it would fit into the definition of homophobia, right?
That is if you disregard the context of the phrase because the same sentence can mean multiple things with a different context. That would mean that it isn’t 100% homophobic to say “I don’t like homosexuals”, as long the context proves otherwise.
I basically agreed with you about whether “I dislike…” is homophobic or not but hey, that’s the nature of discussions: It can change your perspective
Also,
I really shouldn’t start to purposefully twist words and logic. Otherwise, we would end up with sexualities being actual fet1shes and it would totally derail the thread
And it would be against the code of conduct because it might get a bit too explicit.
Well, I think I got what you do not understand.
More explaining: the sentence “I dont like something” is possitive to 2 out of those 3 statuses and only cancels the possibility of liking the subject.
I hate it (positive= could be that)
Nuteral, normal (positive= could be that)
I love it (negative= the sentence canceled that)
I know how it sounds in everyday life but lets not bend the meaning of the words all the time because behind them there is always a mathematical meaning (+ context).
Yeah ok, you have the right to doubt it. People use a code when they communicate language is irrelevant, the code differs from one group of ppl to another, however it is important to remember the mathematical meaning of a sentence now and then.
It could be both. Or maybe im just wrong.
Ok so you don’t disagree with me about the actual meaning and of the word right? Because this seemed like you did
For my defence maybe I have to make my position clear again: I do not dislike hmsxls I also not like them just because they are what they are. I generaly don’t observe people differently because of their sxuality (or race, religion and gender) and I believe this isnt a bad thing. However I also don’t feel hate for people who just dislike hmsxls and keep it for themselves (if this is the definition of hmphobic then I believe being hmphobic isn’t wrong). Well if I see someone talking s1t to someone else because they are hmsxls, im not fond of punching ppl but ye.
What do you think of that as a gj4y person.
To be honest, I don’t care about your opinion towards [insert something here]-people. If you like g4y people or are neutral about it, neat. If someone dislikes them and expresses it, then whatever, I don’t have to deal with that stranger.
Basically, you can do and think whatever you want, as long you don’t hurt other people.
Also, I get that you’re not homophobic. I’ve knew that from the beginning.
Well, the definition works both on personality and action. You can be homophobic or you can act homophobic. Generally speaking, If you judge people, then you should it by their actions, not their thoughts.
Oh, by the way:
That part was only speaking about your Idea of the term’s origin:
It wasn’t about how opinions are formed but just a little correction of a minor mistake.
As long as the person doesn’t sound like a 12 year old I don’t have any problem which is like 12% of my game and why I do not participate in team chat.
The thing that was bothering me was that you defined “h0mo” while disregarding the origin of the said word (short-term for “homosexual”)
With that, the term would be incomplete and even have another meaning.
A name for a phobia usually is constructed by a noun + phobia
If h0mo is a standalone word and thus a noun, it would mean “human” not “same”. That would imply that Homophobia is the fear of humans which I doubt you meant.
The term “h0mo” in homophobia shouldn’t be seen as a standalone word but as a short-term for homosexual. Otherwise, it would change its meaning.
I might be a bit too nitpicky about that so if we actually mean the same, I should just drop that nitpicky argument aside
My Adam’s apple is fully developed, no kids deserve to speak to me in voice chat, none!
I drink coffee in the morning and that’s with 1 teaspoon of sugar, read the Bloomberg News in the morning, and make my bed in the morning after each time I wake up, and that’s all by myself.
I literally got harrassed for a whole match by a guy calling me “Helium Boy” simply because my voice was weird. Im a sophmore in high school, what did he expect?
A voice doesn’t define what sexuality you has so those people are just stupid and you shouldn’t listen to them. NO ONE can sound gay!?!?!
I truly hate people who act like that but the sad part is that i don’t think there is much you can do about it.
The only thing i can say is try to stay strong and don’t care about what others say. It’s better to try abd love yourself for who you are etc and don’t care about others opinion if they’re bad.
When people are mean to me like typical “go make a sandwitch” i usually go “sure, i can help you, no problem” to make it more fun and being sarcastic etc.
Don’t take everyone’s mean comment so seriously, just be yourself and be confident.
you have to calm down tony , or at least train to calm down. it is not ez but also not hard. dont let imbeciles get on your nerves mate, they are not worth it.
This isn’t an overwatch thing or even a homophobia thing… this is just the crappy side of online behaviour.
When I see or hear people being overly abusive … and I don’t mean someone raging because people are not playing well … but I mean just horrible comments
% text etc… I report/block/mute.
Chances of me seeing them again is generally quite low after that. At the end of the day some people just get off on saying really OTT things online that they would most likely not do in IRL because they would get an IRL doomFIST to the face.
You cannot hold the game/company responsible for this, they can do so much but these people can just go buy another copy and go for it again.
No one condones the behaviour least of all Blizzard but this is just a fact of life/internet… you are going to run into dopes online who are just trying to get a rise out of you. They will try find something that they think will get to you and just go with that.
IMHO these people are probably not homophobic or anything… they are literally just talking ***** fir a reaction. Once they get it … thats their hit for the day and they go for it as much as possible.
They are like trolls… once you keep feeding them … they win.
But for some reason people forget trying to argue or reason with most people online… is pointless and a waste of time.
Like Oshiri said above… sometimes it’s fun to just acknowledge what they say and run with it.
I was doing a comp game where a guy just decided to talk crap about me for asking him to take out pharah…
The rest of the game was me agreeing about my love of men and other things, after i report them. On other occasions I just mute/block/report right away depending on my mood.
Not that you have to, but it’s just a suggestion. If your voice is what is giving away the fact you are gay then maybe just hide the way you speak on voice comms. Not be best solution but then again neither is banning everyone who makes a slurr agaisnt you. Not everyone is as tolerant as they should be about it yet, give them time, and just do your best to help them change.
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