Just a simple question… Just had placements as DPS and after some minutes our healer left the match and then another one… we nearly won 4 vs 6 but it is not fair that the placement match gets rated with leavers in the team especially if you have diamond+ enemies.
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You bullied your teammates into suicide, most likely.
Because the players in the other team also very often get rated if their team leaves. So it balances itself out naturally. And also because the players who leave the team get suspended from the cp game mode. So that also balances itself out naturally.
All you gotta do is simply enjoy playing the game. Not really care about SR. You don’t get anything from SR. It’s merely a number referring to its own match making system.
How do you know this for certain? That’s a very big claim you’re making. Most likely means 51% atleast. You would have to know the op personally to make such a claim.
I’ve seen OP’s other posts here on the forum. He’s one of those “My team is sh*t” people.
Regardless, OP does have a point! If you are trying to place, and show what YOU can do… a placement match in a 5v6 match is skewing your performance. A placement match with a leaver should be cancelled to make it more fair. Now there is a bit of a consideration to take into account here, which is at level 25 you allready have an MMR, which should place you in placements against similar skilled players, so even a cancelled match would not affect the placement SR much anyway. And if you are not new to comp, this will not really reset your SR or MMR anyway. But OP does make a good point, a 5v6 match really is not a fair dataset, to place based on. The leaver however should get a loss and adequate penalty. At least i think so.
What? None of you know anything. Placements are the only place where you are rated based purely on your performance. You can lose all of them and STILL gain SR because you played well.
Your perfomance is based in wins and losses, and its a lot harder to do well in a 5v6 than a 6v6. You are obviously going to die more and wipe more when every fight is 5v6, your perfomance stats are rated towards others with similar MMR, and not in that game alone, unless you play in diamond and above, which was a change made around season 8-10 or so. So if you die more and wipe more, compared to games with 6v6 fights your performance takes a hit, which is why its based in W:L. Because each loss often is related to either your own bad perfomance, or the teams, which means that if you lose because you lose more fights, then your performance takes a hit.
You leave a 5vs6 after 2 minutes, your performance wont suffer, your SR will similarly suffer less than if it was a normal seasonal match.
No your proportional problem in the 2 minutes of wipes will have an equal impact on the performance.
2 minutes of bad stats, is better than 5minutes of worse stats surely.
But 2 minutes of bad stats is still compared to a full game of good stats, and is not compensated in any way.
You are looking at it in a very narrow way. A regular game lasts 10 minutes, 5 games would last 50, lets say 47 with a game where there is leaver. This is 45 minutes regular gameplay and 2 minutes of “disadvantaged” one. Further, what stops you from switching to Moira and healing your team thus boosting up your stats and having a good escape to not die too much? Whats stops you from picking Widow and taking potshots at the enemy while being careful to not die? There are ways to mitigate 2 bad minutes.
2 things:
1 - Role lock you cant just swap role if that is the case, but im sure this was not a consideration in the first place.
2 - The enemy team. They will still smack your head in if you try to solo heal, you are their target number 1 and will play with a lot more aggro, and die quicker and more frequent. If you play widow, your team wont sustain enough damage and they will still send a counter towards you, be it a genji an enemy sniper, or a genji. You will not get the sufficient ammount of heal because you cannot provide the sufficient amount of peel for your supports that cannot provide suffient ammount of heal for the tanks, its a never ending problem. Sure you might be less hurt on performance if you play certain heroes than others, but you will still suffer.
A support player cant pick Moira? A DPS player cant pick Widow? A tank player cant pick Roadhog and live through those 2 minutes? There are characters in each class which you can abuse for easy stats.
Who is assuming crap now? 1 healer? There are 4 other people on your team, 1 is the same class as you the other 3 are not. The chances of your other hearer being the leaver are lower.
Do you honestly want to win this argument so badly and prove that 2 minutes out of 45 are disastrous? Are you going to try to hang onto any small straw no matter how ridiculous it is? You are really a piece of work, you know that
never said that, i said swapping roles not heroes:
Role lock you cant just swap role if that is the case
This is given that you allready play the good stats pick, which btw, is compared to other players in different matches with similar MMR for performance. So the only place you actually can reduce the damage is if you can do the job of the leaver, or circumvent the scenario, which is typically the strategy when trying to win despite playing 5v6 already in regular comp games.
In which the scenario of you playing the same role as the leaver is the case you want to do the swap. I will admit, i didn’t consider the option of swapping if your role is not the one with the leaver in it, in your previous post. But as I said your hero pick is compared to an equal hero pick, you being involved in lost fights and wipes will ammount to a negative impact on your performance.
I dont argue to win, a debate is supposed to help you see things from different perspectives, and some times you don’t agree with some people, which is absoloutely okay! You haven’t convinced me that its irrelleveant if you have a leaver in a placement game, because when i look at the circumstances i reach a different conclusion. These forums contains suggestions and feedback, and they are open to all players share thier views and opinions. I don’t consider the only possible outcome a win or loss, when it comes to a debate, you can leave strengthened in each different conviction or you can get closer to an understanding in between, or finally you can be persuaded to change your opinion, it is 100% a personal thing 
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Finally i didn’t say 2 minutes out of 45 are impacting your placement significantly, in fact what i said was:
What I said was that OP does have a fair point that it is a little unfair that 1 person can have such a significant impact on a placement match, as it defys the purpose of the placement match. Which our little discussion here has not changed my mind towards. This is an opinion you can share or disagree with, it is entirely up to you.
Here’s the problem though. A placement game loss will probably cost a lot more SR than a regular loss, since the matchmaking is still calibrating your spot and the potential of SR gain/loss per game is much greater. And that probably even counts for existing accounts in placement games.
Even if placement games only take personal performance into account, which I trust you to know is true somehow, I honestly don’t. You would agree though that you can’t perform well in an unbalanced game? You’ll die much more, you’d be getting less kills/heals, your impact on the game will be marginal compared to a balanced game.
Well, feel free to measure how much 2 sub-par minutes of gameplay will effect 45 minutes of gameplay. Would this be even a 1-2 SR difference?
Lets clear this up because this is getting annoying.
If you make a new account and do your first placements you’ll most likely face different tier teams. For example you start off against platinums, do extremely well and in the next game you face off against diamonds. In these cases win or loss doesn’t matter, what the system looks at is how well you play against people of different tiers, it tries to determine where to put you so you can get the most balanced games.
In the light of this having a leaver and performing poorly doesn’t really make sense. If you are lower than you are supposed to be nothing stops you from popping heads and doing well even at a disadvantage, right? What I saw mostly as arguments is when games are even. Why does it matter if the games are even, the system already found your rank. And even if for some reason in the end you don’t get the SR you think you deserve - new accounts will climb faster than an established one.
Finally, placements for established accounts are not important. Like at all. The most you can gain is perhaps 100 SR more or less than your last season’s placement. Thats all. Would one game matter then? Unlikely.
Here’s the solution. If you lose, the next game will become easier. If you enjoy the game, the next game will become more enjoyable.
If you can’t control people’s minds and force them do what you want it means you aren’t “skilled”.
I’m sorry I don’t understand what you’re saying.
But I have a feeling it’s something philosophical 