We can all agree that playing Widow can be fun at times. The satisfaction that one gets from headshotting a couple people is nice, however, compare widow to Hanzo and we come across a problem. How can one compare Hanzo and Widow and think Widow is better… you cant. Post Hanzo rebuild, Hanzo was better than Widow and now after the rebuild, the level of injustice that has me screaming ‘‘Widow rework’’ is just terrible!
Let us go over all the things that Widow has;
-Grapple
-Venom mine
-Infra-sights
-Hitscan sniper/full auto machine gun
This is all well and fine but if we compare what Hanzo has, we see some unfair abilities that push Widow’s chances of being remotely near any meta out the window.
Hanzo has;
-Wall climb
-Lunge
-Sonic arrows
-Storm arrows
-Dragon Strike
Looking at these to Widow’s abilities shows how not viable Widow has become and to any avid Widow player.
in comparison;
-Hanzo has Widows ultimate in an arrow on a 12-second cooldown and although it doesn’t reveal all enemies to you and teammates, it still can be sent out quicker and reveals the enemies to you and your team,
-a much more damaging venom mine substitution that although doesn’t reveal players, it outputs 420 damage in quick succession and can be combined with the sonic arrow to be a deadlier force that mimics and betters the venom mine,
-two dragons that can pass through the whole map doing 150 damage per second,
-a wall climb ability that has no cooldown and all though you cannot fling yourself upwards like Widow, it makes you a much harder and unpredictable target for the enemy to get and on top of that a 4-second lunge that further hinders the enemies ability to hit a Hanzo,
and finally just general movement speed and game mechanics such as;
-Widow moving slower when being zoomed in
-Hanzo basically being a hitscan at close range
-Hanzo being able to shoot quicker and more damagingly
If you combine all these things, Hanzo has become this monster that makes Widow completely undesirable and with that being said, it makes the idea of blizzard liking every hero very unbelievable.
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Sure, but Hanzo is a nerd with his pant legs tucked into his woolly socks. He needs to be dangerous to make up for it, or he’d have his lunch money stolen daily.
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Nerf Hanzo, bring him inline.
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What you’ve said is valid, however, I’m talking on a base of Hanzo being overpowered. I’ve been M/GM on console and I’m looking to get master on PC this coming season and with experience, if you can say ‘Widow is easily the most overpowered character in the game’ then can’t you argue that Hanzo is even worse. The mobility that Widow has makes her an easy target to hit and predict, let’s be honest, the venom mine provides minimal defence and her ult has already been compared to what Hanzo has. if you look at this, Widow is a hitscan that solely relies on aim, Hanzo has all these things where he can output twice if not three times as much damage as Widow, so why not give Widow a small rework to counter this and make each sniper equally viable to pick rather than having a one-sided match between the two?
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i have an idea , how about instead of “reworking” aka buffing widowmaker
we just nerf her
and then we nerf hanzo
and after overwatch be alot more fun to play
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Neither nerf or buff is justified for Widow. Mine is an alarm, it’s not a damage dealer. Most heroes are fine right now, and widow is one of them.
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you mean her " fun and fair " ability to 1 shot and win a team fight without someone can punish her is balanced ?
i would argue with that
widow is not at all any close to be fair and balance like not at all
you realize that she’s the second best hero in the game after mercy ?
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A lot of heroes can punish and distract her. Too bad noone seems willing to switch to one of them, or learn how to play against her.
You know she’s recently become fashionable again, after a lot of seasons with barely any play? Without any other change than a reduction of hook cd. If she’s so OP, how come she hasn’t been fielded after scope change, until season ten?
alot ? you mean winston and dva ? widowmaker can always hook away and they cant do anything about that
under what rock you were leaving ?
she was go to towards all dive comp meta
but maybe you was play some different game idk
Delete both of them.
There’s no place for snipers in OW. They just don’t fit into the playstyle of the game. Everyone else is, by and large, in the mix of things to some degree. Then you have some boring, chickenshít Widowmaker hiding two centuries away picking off people who are fighting in the ACTUAL fight.
Overwatch is supposed to be a team-based RPG shooter. Not some CoD nonsense that lets people play so INDEPENDENTLY of their team.
At least get rid of that Widow’s Kiss crap that let’s her two-shot a non-shield tank in once second. Get rid of her double headshot multiplier and drop it to 150% if anything.
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Genji, tracer, sombra, hanzo, widow, dva, winston…
you dont decide what overwatch is
snipers are a part of overwatch as much as anyone else, you just don’t know how to play around one
i find doomfist more annoying than any snipers but who am i to say he isnt part of the game
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she can use her hook to get away
boom ! mind blowing i know
the only really counter you mention is widow
meaning you need a widowmaker to counter widowmaker
sounds balanced and fair and fun
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Except her hook is on an eight second cooldown, and you don’t have to kill her to keep her in check.
Oh well, people incapable of playing against widow will obviously never learn, so I’m out of here. Toodles!
that probably one of the biggest problem - hook cooldown is on 8 sec
it’s way too short
i’m incapable? i have quite some time on her so cut this bs
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My idea would be to change her max headshot dmg below 99% charged shot to 150.
She would still be dangerous but not as unfair and annoying anymore.
It’s just annoying to see that she can miss you with a charged shot and instantly shoot again with a 70% charged headshot and still kill you.
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I am a proficient with Widow and can tell you right now if I run across teams that can counter me on her they win my respect massively. However people like you do not get any respect because whining about a character that snipes and you do not know know how to counter is your problem not the character or the people who play her well and gives no reason to remove her. Suggest if you don’t like Widow’s who play well you avoid them or accept that getting killed by them is part and parcel of this game.
Ditto to last comment Doomfist also annoys me but I just deal with it as one of those things. No one has a right to dictate to us or Blizzard who should be in the game or not character wise.
I’m sure you do, but obviously you still can’t play against her. I have about 300h on her across accounts, and I’m still far, FAR, from being an expert.
and OWL pros cant deal with widowmaker and every pro match determines by widow plays
but you , you’re the god of overwatch who knows everything
Except they can. Sure; Pine, Surefour etc are problems for most teams. Since they’re exceptional. Are you telling me that you’re facing Pine? Or perhaps you want to have a look at any of the matches where the poor Widowmakers get stomped and have to switch off.