“On-going harassment” or how Blizzard don’t care about it. Vol 3

Argent Dawn
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Holy moly, this is definitely not normal drama. This is well beyond a worry.

This does almost seem like police worthy, but then, if you are worried it may sound silly then maybe use that to your advantage?

If you feel that what this eejit is doing is too silly for the police, you may be able to just ignore it?

I know, at this stage that might be difficult but honestly, if you carry on normally and just let the stalker mald, then he’ll automatically oust himself from the community.

You shouldn’t let it affect your fun. If anyone asks or takes up on what your stalker is saying, you have the smarts to briefly discuss it and clarify.

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I believe this suggestion has been made before in one of the previous threads regarding this, I’m not sure if they went to the police or not, but I know it was somewhat awkward due to their cyberstalker and them living in seperate countries.

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I’ve contacted the police of his country. Or well. I tried to. There was no direct way of doing so without being a citizen of the said country.
So I contacted police academy instead, asking for either consultation or if there’s a way to report it. Answer was:

“You can contact local police department.”

And I’ve already elaborated why I don’t feel so eager of reaching out to my own police just yet. But yeah. It’s an option regardless.

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Well, Blizzard should be the first port of call now as they CAN do something if they actually bother. Hopefully they do.

Otherwise, all you can do for now is spread the word that your harasser is out there and not let it get to you.

It’s a shame that the git stalking you is in another country (or maybe a boon?) as it does limit what the police can and are willing to do. They have limited jurisdiction.

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I’m usually the first to be apprehensive about callout posting but it is rather sickening to see you are still suffering from this reprehensible person and their behaviour. It’s ridiculous that Blizzard hasn’t escalated this as it goes beyond mere petty taunts and jibes in game.

This is reaching a point where I would seriously suggest approaching the law enforcement of your country and go through legal channels, if you can’t force Blizzard to shut your stalker down, then perhaps other means can. Online stalking is a crime in many countries.

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I can’t believe this is still happening to you. I wish I could offer some advice, but this is really down on Blizzard’s end I think. I hope your post gets the attention and support it deserves :heart:

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It is. If that doesn’t count in their eyes as “harassment” and so forth, then I don’t know what is.
Just by forcing down a social contract (that doesn’t even work), situation isn’t going to resolve on its own. Support must actually take action and with each suspension you get, the longer the suspension it should be.

I just don’t understand how they work (CS). Some dive into history chat logs. Some don’t. Some give hints what would be done about it. Some don’t. I can’t understand what’s hard about to go through all the referenced tickets ID + all the evidence & links with evidence provided, in order to realize how bad and persistent this situation is.

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Generally, CS doesn’t pay attention to what is linked by the person, as they make (at least from the words of a GM I talked to ) their own investigation, relying on what information -they- can find through chatlogs and other internal info.

Reason for that, however, is quite simple - they always consider the provided evidence as fabricated, no matter how obvious the screenshots are, the videos (if any) and so on. It is quite a ridiculous hill to stand on, but I assume it is done solely because there were instances of such.

Which is imo stupid, as it should be on a case-by-case basis, rather than wrapped up into one policy.

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The “social contract” nonsense is their carte blanche to deal with “easy” problems so they can reap the rewards of looking like they care while ignoring serious and detrimental cases like this. Blizzard has decimated their CS support and usually resolves things via algorithim or probably contract out their CS to external and low paid sources, like the much vaunted Square Enix does.

The simple fact of the matter is the system does not work, there isn’t enough human inputs on the vast amount of data outputs they get. If you can’t get through to them and you feel like a law enforcement action would either be too lengthly or you feel like your dignity would be on the line you can always take it to the media.

News outlets, social media and other informational hubs, especially ones dedicated to gaming or online news is probably your best bet, they will be able to amplify your story, it’s what happened to the Moon Guard Goldshire about 11-12 years ago, it got into the news, Blizzzard actually cleaned out the place. Not that it helped long term because issues like that are more deep seated than stalking.

Besides the point, Blizzard can’t afford negative publicity.

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I’m not aware about that story.
But yes. This was and still is my plan though.

What is also once again, of a concern, is that apparently there’s an exploit in one of the WoW’s systems.
While it’s partially confirmed how my stalker is getting some info (with having own database and so forth). What is unclear, is that how stalker figures out characters who are not in public spots. For example, making a human and leveling in Duskwood or Westfall and stalker shows up, letting you know that you’re on his radar.

Now. Me and my friend accidentally discovered that Friendlist (with some inconsistencies) can actually expose your character to others. For example, you and your friend have added each other on your main characters.

Now you log on your alt and list up for a dungeon. Your friend (on the main) will see a pop-up that is looking for a dungeon.
Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn’t. Your friend can remove you but after going for queue, you’ll show up on their list.
I’m not entirely sure how exactly this mechanic works but with such inconsistencies it’s not a far-fetched idea that there’s a way to exploit it and figure out that . Then do a pet comparison check and pin-point who’s who.

Either that or there’s another method that’s been exploited.

They still ask for evidence and details like time, day, hour, etc.
And despite that, they do see everything you do and dig up chat logs from (at least) a 6 months old.
But let’s throw pumpkins aside.
There are still whispers and messages in /trade and /general (city) chats. With names given on those, it should be quite easy to check in order to confirm if such evidence is fabricated or not.

Case on case scenario is the most correct method. But it’s also most time & money consuming I believe, hence, going for outsource of CS.

I remember watching a YT about it. How Blizzard outsources majority of the tickets to other companies. More “prominent” employees than can be transferred to actually work for Blizzard.

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I can’t believe they’re not taking any real action when it’s gone on for this long. :frowning:

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Oh my goodness, I’ve read like half the collected evidence and it seems like this person doesn’t even understand that what they are doing is wrong!

They need to get therapy!

The fact that bliz allow this to happen is awful, my concern is that a perma ban might not even help you if they are saving your details to a database

I’m so sorry this has happened to you

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They’re clearly dealing with a deeply unwell person and I wouldn’t call it excessive to label this stalker as dangerous.

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I’m really sorry for what you’re going through, Lenadra. This is truly not OK.

Though I am seldom on Alliance alts (or online at all nowadays), please let me know if there’s anything we can do to help you feel safer when RPing.

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I don’t think there’s any way to make one feel safer to RP.
It just goes as it goes. I just am grateful to the fact that those who RP with me, fully understand what’s going on and thus stalker’s attempts to try and put them off from interacting with me, doesn’t succeed.

It’s just that those people end up being stalked & bothered after, is what makes me feel a bit “guilty”, even if I’m not the one who’s causing it really, it’s just how it feels sometimes.

Only help is to spread this issue really. Just so others know and maybe, perhaps, there’s a tiny tiny change, that Blizzard will finally look down on this and pull a serious action.

I know that it won’t happen most likely but… there’s a hope.

Also, someone did mention that it’s worthwhile to reach out to gaming portals and share this situation. Perhaps someone knows who portals might be interested in it? I’m not very versed/aware about those. >_>

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i think that the stalker does that for this reason, To make you feel Bad, to try weaking you in spirit.
As many others in this thread, I’m sorry for you. Though you still keep going on, and that’s good. Do not give up, Don’t let him win.
I pray that someone at blizzard does something to help you out (And not with a mere 1 week ban).

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I don’t know if it’s more amusing or disturbing.
But a fact that my stalker, while being fully aware of this thread, proceeds to make one of his own that exactly proves what this thread is about.

Last night was ‘almost’ similar with him stalking entirety of the RP and once he was unable to continue and stalk any further, he started to periodically log on the same character that made that thread and send messages in /trade and /general chats.

But what I’ve learned from the words of the other person, which I find even more disturbing, is that I’m not the only person whom he stalks & harasses with a far greater extend. (Previously, I’ve shared that he does that after or during my RP with the others, I was sort of that chain link?)

The other person was joining a guild I am in. And GM of the guild received a link from the stalker, with a screenshot that was dated 2 months ago, that in stalker’s opinion it would be sufficient enough to make the GM turn away and stop the recruitment.

Not only the fact that he contacts others in order to disrupt RP or/and make others turn away from my stalker’s targets. But he also finds time not to just stalk me 24/7. But also others, who were not even connected to me.

I know for a fact that he uses at least 2 accounts but there might be more and apparently sits like some security at the supermarket.
Of course, Blizzard either automatically or manually, has removed his thread by now.

But it’d be great if they would look at this thread. Go through evidence provided. Check out his thread that exactly proves the points of this one. And do investigation from their side and finally pull some action. Which most likely won’t happen.

And thank you very much for those who support me. I’m being told a lot and I reply almost the same because there’s no real other way to thank differently, but behind each thank you, I mean it.

P.S - To address what he’s “reporting”. I understand it fully. And it’s completely fine if people find this unacceptable. Frown upon it. Disapprove it. Or don’t care about. Or find it logical. Or do it themselves.

Everyone is entitled to their opinion and are at liberty to engage/disengage in such RP. If someone finds it offensive, insultive or otherwise it affects them negatively during the RP or any part of it, I’d expect them to say so and it’ll be talked over & about. And most certainly, IC is IC. OOC is OOC. Always separate.

Don’t get me wrong, I’m not trying to “justify” myself or feel sorry. My point is that I’m trying to stay neutral, objective and open to be flamed, criticized and so forth. For better or worse.

However.
I do believe that this doesn’t justify such obsession, harassment and toxic attitude towards anyone. And it certainly is annoying how out-dated or uncontrolled mechanics in-game can be used for such, when they are used for such.

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Since I now know that he is reading this thread, and I didn’t have a chance to reply to the thread he made himself. I’ll address this stalker here.

If you had the chance to look at the replies in your own thread before it got yeeted and deleted. You would know that what I had told you the last time we spoke is true. You’re the one in the wrong here. I said this about eight months ago. You’re still doing it. You’re still dedicating your free time in an attempt to ‘punish’ someone for hurting your wittle feelings.

Grow up, stalker.

I’ve seen you around in Stormwind. On your many trial account alts. Hiding in stealth just within /say range of your victim. Logging what they say and emote with your own custom made addon. It’s sad. You’re sad.

And somehow you decided that it was ok to start stalking me too? I made a brand new character on another account. Just minding my own business. When your sorry face shows up, emotes on me, pumpkins me, and what? You expect me to understand? To feel anything but a sense of pity? It won’t happen. No idea what leak you manage to abuse since API is disabled and so is check-pvp. Ofcourse. I reported it. Not that Blizzard will do anything. Leave me alone. Leave your victims alone. Move on.

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Your incessant stalking and harrassing won’t stop anyone from interacting with a player they enjoy interacting with. I like your victim. Many people do. You won’t change our mind. - Even those that disagree with me… Those that dislike your victim… They disapprove of what you’re doing.

You’re in the wrong.

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Alas, as I have mentioned in your previous attempts at making this topic of a thread, it isn’t quite the right place to do it but then again, I understand the frustration when Blizzard support does not completely embrace it as an issue.

I am sorry that you have to pass through these kinds of issues, and no one deserves any form of attention in the matter of what a stalker can generate. I do hope for a solution in the nearby future for you. It cannot be on your shoulders, having to remake everything you have worked for due to some flawed interaction with another person which has generated this behaviour over time.

I did take a second read at the previous “observation” thread and noticed that they were indeed in connection with what is going on with you.

To said person of these acts, please, do seek assistance, or even medical aid to help handle your problems as this kind of behaviour is not healthy for you, or your victims. There is nothing cool in hiding in the shadows, lurking on people, hoping that you will garner their suffering and fright into something you can use. Just quit.

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Ah dang it, i didn’t see this one he made. Does anyone know the name of that thread he made?