1 subscription. Access to both US and EU servers

Damn thats interesting. Before I moved to the US (was going to California from the UK) I tested my ping on a new character and found it a bit unbearable. It reminded me of playing LoL with ping, but if you can manage it fair enough, thats awesome :slight_smile:

Ok ill keep that in mind when im factoring in a 70 year mortgage for a £1M house I cannot afford. Its not technically £1M. Im sure it will make it much more affordable to someone on a frugal income like me.

Again, good for you, not sure why you think that the fact that you have expendable income that somehow that’s evidence for it being affordable. You need to really open your mind and think about others who have to budget and ask yourself whether your world view is correct about affordability. I can afford it dosent mean others can, or that its affordable. A Ferrari is affordable to a millionaire, not to you I presume, or me.

And no I cant find the money. I dont drink, smoke, go out to restaurants, buy anything for myself (for pleasure), go out to cafes, cinemas, take holidays. Right now, I work my socks off all day everyday without weekends. So no, I cant afford it.

And even if I could, ill ask you again Dottie. Do you, or do you not, believe that you should pay for one copy of an expansion, and one monthly fee, and be able to play on whatever server you want, whenever you want. Yes or no. Stop dancing around the argument at hand, and backtracking when proven wrong.

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You’ve misunderstood my point though Someoneelse. Im not saying make WoW servers region free. Im saying make the game client/launcher tie into a global battle.net subscription.

As long as you have purchased the expansion/sub fee, you can launch whatever game client you want and log into those servers. They wont be connected to other regions, but your sub will allow you access.

Also, its wrong to make the statement “its cheaper than free games”, and that’s exactly what companies that want to get away with predatory practices want people to believe.

I play a ton of free games and spend either nothing or significantly less on them per year than WoW. I definitely dont spend £9.99 per month on free games, + £49.99 every 2 years. Most people dont. Free games can cost people more, or equal, but a significant number of players play free games for free, so its wrong to act like free games are automatically more expensive than paid/sub games.

I could equally make an argument that if you buy every store item, wow tokens for in game items/services that WoW is significantly more expensive yet again.

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It doesn’t matter what I think as it’s the way it is and so you know, there are some games that are locked to one region, some you can play on any like overwatch but they are not subscription based.

I personally think the game databases and systems are so old it would mean a massive rewrite of everything to do what you want, and doing that for a small percentage of players is not worth it.

What country are you in btw?

Avoid, dodge, you’re like a politician. You just cant say what you think and you use “it dosent matter what I think” as an excuse to not answer questions. Poor.

Name me games that are locked to one region, because I can name you hundreds or thousands that arent. This is WoW, this isnt some small development that dosent have the resources to fix these issues. This is Activision Blizzard, owned by Microsoft, these are giants, their games shouldnt be archaic. Period.

Wrong, you dont have to rewrite any databases or systems, what are you even talking about? This has nothing to do with the game itself, this has to do with battle.net. The changes required for the game to tie into a global battle.net sub are nothing. They could easily do it if they cared.

Ive said like 8 times im from the UK.

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Ok, name me 100 subscription games that are global. Bluff called.

I think due to regional laws and the differing subscription models around the world it is the right way to do it.

I literally asked you to name me games and you didnt do so, yet you think you can then turn it on me and ask me to list 100 subscription games that are global, then drop a “Bluff called.” like you just pulled off some mastermind argument ending play on me. :rofl:

A) I asked you to name me games that are locked to one region, and you provided me with none

B) I didnt say subscription games specifically, I said games.

C) I genuinely don’t see how you cant see it Dottie. You talk about regional laws, differing subscription models like this is unique to WoW. Basically EVERY game is global, but WoW isn’t, yet you still think that the laws are a problem for just WoW and that its the correct way to do it. Wrong. Its archaic.

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I don’t know how you can’t see that the game in China is not the same in America. I don’t play any other subscription games so I don’t know of any. Wait, DCUO and LotRO are regional aren’t they?

You said you could name “hundreds”, I don’t see you naming any either. Single player non-subscription games don’t count as they don’t need so many restrictions as an MMO does.

You can’t compare an FPS single player game to an MMOPRG.

Again, ill say it again, the fact that the game is different in China to the US, literally means jack. We pay Blizzard a fee and in return they grant us a licence to play their game. That licence should be global.

I should pay for dragonflight, regardless of whether its the US or EU client.
I pay a sub fee for access to live wow servers, regardless of which servers I pick.

Having global licences is the issue, not the game. Again, I dont see how you dont get it. There are thousands of multiplayer games out there where people play cross region without the game telling them they can only play with said opposite region by buying a separate version of the same game, the publishers/developers arent asking people to buy the game again so they can play in a different region do they.

DCUO is free, so dosent count for obvious reasons as you can just make a different account and still play.

LOTRO also has a global sub.

Oh look, FFXVI - “Any account (from any region) can play on all servers, so yes, your NA account can happily play on EU servers” I guess the regional laws just dont apply to them

Elder scrolls online - same
SWTOR - same
Runescape - same
Lost ark - same
Eve online - same
Conan - same

And then basically every single multiplayer game out there. Battlefield, COD, Rust, PUBG, R6, Minecraft, Overwatch, CS, Valorant… The list goes on, basically every single game.

Get this idea out of your head that regional laws prevent MMO’s from having global subscriptions, you’re being willfully ignorant. You’re just making up facts about the law to suit your argument instead of just facing the fact that I should just be able to buy dragonflight once, and one western sub and just play with all my friends. Move on.

Oh and also, stop picking and choosing what you reply to, you are a serial question dodger and you do it just to suit your own argument which is disingenuous, and b) I never mentioned sub games, or fps single players, you are literally making stuff up at this point.

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Without going into pointless legal discussions and whatnot. I would have more of a reason to play if I could freely switch my region on one and the same account.

I tend to play at night sometimes, and EU servers can be kinda dead at that point. It would be nice if you can just swap to NA servers and keep blasting with the yanks.

And ye, I think the amount of people actually willing to pay for a double sub in this regard is likely not that big. But it might convince some people to play (more). I don’t think it would really turn out as a negative financially for the company. Maybe in the short term, not so much in the long term

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It is actually interesting, because LoL with anything above 150 ms is absolutely unplayable, you get dcs, lags, rubberbanding etc. In WoW you have neither. It really gets bad above 300ms.

Fake casting in pvp with 200 ms is basically impossible, while I cancelt the cast on my screen, I will be still locked out of spells for example :smiley:
classes with 1s gcd are also problematic but everything else feels okish

While there probably are technical difficulties merging the regions entirely, subscription fee covering all regions would be amazing. I’d love to see that.

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Agreed. Merging actual regions is something that is obviously possible but would admittedly be a ton of effort, and nobody expects that. Right now we just need a good game and the major issues to be fixed. But changing the clients and battle.net to tie us all into a western licence for example is a major start.

I think the companies priority right now should be getting players back onboard, that can be done with player friendly changes like this.

I would have played the last few xpacs if I had a larger friends group to play with, but I cant because they’re split between NA and EU. The amount of people paying 2x subs must genuinely be like 0.01% of the player base or something ridiculously low.

Even just for the goodwill points its worth it for them.

The reason why it’s not allowed is probably some regional trade stuff, price differences, taxes, currencies, etc. There’s more benefit in allowing players to play on the server they want and normally that shouldn’t be an issue, as that would immediately result in each region having a bigger player pool.

But right now it IS an issue due to the volatile economy. Why pay 15USD for a sub when you can pay like 12 euro, and both currencies have the same value right now?

I don’t think greed is the issue. The issue is international trade and currencies and legal stuff.

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Btw US realms are superior to EU. There is almost zero spam on Trade. EU has nothing but bots spamming carries.

Are you really gonna sit here, and tell other people, what they can afford? Isn’t this against Forum t.o.s.? (Trolling)

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No, it’s not, what I am saying, in the part you quote, I counter the poster using exaggeration to prove their dodgy point about the cost. It may add up to $400 but it’s not all in one go.

In fact if they can’t afford it why are they even playing in the first place, and not playing one of those pay once games instead?

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It is not on you to tell people what they have to do dottie , its that simple.

if i follow the op then s/he would like to buy the expansion and down load whatever region s/he wants to play even maybe all of them. Then pay a sub to play where s/he likes at the moment.
aslong s/he remembers that s/he have to lvl separate toons on those chosen clients because they are not linked.

At the end does is cost blizz lots of cash? Don´t know. But for players its nice to get and probally play more and longer maybe because they have i choise.
If this was the intention of the op i fully support it

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