Sad story maybe next time play warrior dps you might get invited faster
thanks to WCL (addon) WoW SoD has become the most toxic version of WoW i have personally ever played
Damn, people will rather quit playing than host a raidâŚ
Weird times we live in
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As strong as I tried to restrain myself, I canât help to respond to some of the helpful solutions.
1.) Join a guild. Just because if you are in a guild, itâs wonât guarantee that you will get invited to guild runs. If your class is on the ânaughty listâ even a guild wonât take you, if there is a âbetterâ option. Not to mention, since everyone take this game way to seriously, if you canât make every guild event, you will be a less desired option.
2.) Form you own raid group. Not everybody is leader type, raid leading is not just about inviting people to the party. You have to know what classes and secs can do, you have to know all the runes, etc.
In this case almost all faults go to the community, this stupid over-recquiments for mid level raid is not made by Blizzard. Itâs our toxicity that poison and kill the game.
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Thereâs no guarantee you get one in trade chat either by the sounds of it, but higher chance you get a group in a guild if your class happens to be less desired this phase. Just join a guild that isnât super sweat.
Its 6 bosses with barely any mechanics, there isnât a whole lot of leading that needs to be done at this point. Sort groups/ranged moving in and out for electrocutioner so people know what they are doing. Assign OT for menagerie/thermaplugg. Rest of the bosses are glorifed loot pinatas. You do not need to know all the runes just know enough that the people you invite actually have the right ones equipped/bothered to get them in the first place. You donât need a PHD in what every class does to clear a 6 boss âRaidâ bro.
Leading at this point is just Making the group and distributing the loot donât overcomplicate it into something more.
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Not true.
If this was week 1 or 2 of the phase, sure, there would be some instructing involved. But now? Itâs as Windfurybtw says, only things you really do is make the group and handle loot.
I host pugs all the time, and if you ask me what runes half of the classes are supposed to be using on each spec, I have no idea. Donât make it sound harder than it is.
The issue is 90%+ of the players just want to log in, be invited to a semi-full raid group within 2 minutes and get summoned to the raid entrance. Having to spend 10minutes clicking a macro and checking experience is way too much work for them to even bother. Ironically enough, they seem to spend longer than that on the forums trying to justify their laziness through excuses like âno one wants my class/leading a raid is hard/etcâ. Same goes for joining guilds.
The only things required to lead a raid are:
- Advertising. Making a simple macro and editing it as you fill the raid (LFM need all/LFM need X tanks, X healers, X dps/LFM need whatever last spots).
- Raid composition. 2 tanks (one can be in dps spec and just change runes for the required bosses), 2 healers, 3 melee dps, 3 ranged dps (you can take an extra ranged/melee and it wonât ruin the raid)
- Sort groups (melees in one group, ranged in the other). (Optional)
- Set loot and type â/rw roll item Xâ after esch boss dies
- âWp all, thank you for joining, have a great dayâ (optional, but recommended)
If this looks like too much work, then Iâm afraid weâll just keep seeing threads like â7 hours and no inviteâ.
Thatâs how BFD was thoâŚ
Donât condition people into that Behaviour and then rugg-pull them when the next phase comes.
Back in BFD i thought people were CRAZY for having guilds and static raids just to slap that easy raid.
But Gnomer is not âHardâ for statics or guilds, But for the âJust invite whoever appliesâ groups it can be hard.
Now i also had to seek out a static party that run each reset same people, Because itâs too much of a hassle to try and find a group for gnomer.
Yes and no.
Yes as in raid comps were more flexible than Gnome, you didnât need people dedicated to certain mechanics as you do in Gnome.
And no, because you still had the average 5 melee 5 ranged comp most of the times, I did a whole bunch of BFD and I never saw a raid made up of 6 rogues + randoms. For all the reasons and some more.
I feel you bud. Im sure rogues gonna shine next phase.
You probably have to explain more what you even mean here, Because i donât know how this has any thing to do with what i said.
Point is, BFD was plug and play, No need for any specific classes for mechanics, besides 1 priest for kelris and 1 feral for wild strikes (instant invite even as melee), I had 1 fail group (as in disbanded on kelris) in 17 resets in BFD.
While in the first 3 tries of Gnomer i had 2 fail raids (and it was very annoying to even get invited to those 3 as melee, because everyone needs ranged for mechs or because they go past the high defense of the bosses) Probably wouldâve been more, but i have been in the static for 7 resets now.
There were raids for BFD at all hours of the day during p1 (hype and stuff), so everyone could find a spot.
Also, and relating to what you just said, BFD was a complete joke, even if you took 10 level 20âs you would probably still down the whole thing. A mistake for sure, made WoW look like the original Pokemon games, where you could beat the whole thing using only your starter Pokemon. One may consider stomping everything to be incredibly fun, but for everyone else, it feels like using cheats in a game (#howdoyouturnthison).
Now Gnome requires more than a full afk raid to down (some) bosses, you actually have to do more than just your rotation. This, along with the fact that population declined since p1, means that quite a few people are finding it harder to systematically get 6/6 raids. Add that to the fact that most people only play dps, and youâve got threads like this. Not a surprise at all. And itâs also not a surprise to see these people throw out excuse after excuse, and every possible lame justification to why they wonât change anything about what they are doing to work around their problem.
But again, I must say: people with just a tiny little bit of skill donât have these issues. And if itâs a skill issue, then nothing in the game can help you with that, other than stuff like #whosyourdaddy
when a class has an A tier tank spec and a C tier dps spec do u think u will easily find spots as dps? i have no issues finding pugs as a rogue tank, and last week i even had a power infusion for first boss, i did almost 1k dps opener
From âeasilyâ to âi waited 7hoursâ there is about 6 hours and 50 minutes difference.
In that time, you could easily have hosted 3 or 4 pugs with your C tier dpsâes
yeah, this guy is a noob thats why i assumed he was never gonna host and that he will need to find a spot lol
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âProve your worthâŚto run gnomerâ You guys reall are depressing lmao
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Iâd take a C-tier dps who is a teamplayer over an S-tier parser-brain dps any day of the week.
Because these parser-brains straight up ignore mechanics and make raids a pain. For example, not interrupting, not swapping to adds, not doing bombs or clicking buttonsâŚ
Does their dps look good? Yeah. Was it a clean kill? Hell no.
Iâm still more interested in bringing a good teamplayer rather than gearscore/parses, but then again I donât really fit well into this new era of wow⌠Tbh Iâm quite disgusted by it.
I think I can speak for him to say that âprove your worthâ can be translated into: there are 100 rogues competing for the same spot, so unless you are good, you wonât get a spot.
I can also very much assume he would not need to tell OP to âprove his worthâ if OP was playing tank rogue. For obvious reasons.
In some cases, what you say applies, definitely.
In other cases (most of them), people are just trying to make sure the raid doesnât wipe 10 times before last boss and disbands at 4/6.
And tbh, a pink parser will usually interrupt last boss/move on electro, cause if he doesnât, itâs gonna be a wipe/he gon die. And if that happens, there go his parses amirite?
Again, I agree that some prople are indeed min/maxing SoD, which is far from rational, considering how easy it is. But there is no denying that some mechanics in Gnome will cause wipes, so knowing what to do is a must, in those cases.
And how do you know that Joe Bloggs who whispers you âinv plzâ is a good teamplayer?
When you chooose pugs every lockout to take along you quickly build up a list of people that you know value doing mechanics above their own personal parsing. And what players dont.
But ofc when a complete stranger asks for invite you have no way of knowing beforehand. I do have one red flag and thats players who write something along the lines of âfullblast mega pumper huuuuge dpsâ, sometimes in caps lock. I get a really bad feeling from those. When pugging with an alt I also avoid groups who advertise their runs like that. Capslock and claiming itâs some kind of speedrun record clear.
Fast is not the same as smooth. And fast often results in mistakes and unnecessary wipes. In my experience atleast. I prefer doing a proper clear, a smooth run.
But generally the more fotm class and better parses the higher the risk that itâs a pug who ignore tactics because he feel the need to have personal parses to get invites these days. Just my experience. Sucks that it is like this thoughâŚ
Needless to say I got a list of âhuge mega pumpersâ as well who will never get an invite again because they fail or choose to ignore mechanics.