9.1 is just another trash… It did not adress PvP gearing issues like gear gaps between honor gear and conquest gear, they just made it even worse because geared people will start with advantage from the first moments. Honor gear is still crappy, grindy and renown locked. All multiglad boosters will be there collecting Token gold, not on TBC 
Wow is in a bad state! Retail or classic!
Its more like of “pick ur poison” thing.
The hate on this forums and immaturity its beyond explanation.
I choose Tbc, who wants to enjoy retail-hope 9.1 will be better- i doubt it tough.
Also many issues in Tbc- i think will persist for a long time, maybe wont be fixed ever.
Stop batle player-player on forums
The real villain is Actiblizz and we”re doing all the work from them!
Enjoy ur poison as it lasts! Be it tbc or retail!
Chill out all!
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Spoiler, people could enjoy retail for the difficulty of mythic content and tbc has its more simple at the same time.
But for people with less than 3 neurons, its too hard of a conceptual to comprehend
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Just like classic completly died when SL came out right? SL was much more promissing than 9.1 is so I dont think TBCC is going anywhere soon
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And yet it’s subscribers keep going down to the point where they stopped showing them. It’s also a game where you get rewarded for existing and everyone is “special”.
You are comparing a game that came out in 2007 (TBC) to something that is made in 2021. You’d think they came up with some new mechanics and learned in 14 years… In the end people chose where they want to be. And people have chosen to log into TBC. Do you think they made Classic because retail is doing so well?
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I can’t wait for some of the hype to cool down and some retailers to leave to Shadowlands.
Maybe the LFG will realise that you don’t always have to zoom and make the optimal wtfbbq spealcleave gogogo experience, but that the player drought means you actually group with everyone and be nice to people again.
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The subscriber numbers were never for anyone other than investors anyway.
You forgot the word some.
That spellcleave stuff has nothing to do with retail players, blame the private server community for that.
And what do you expect at this point? People that wanted Classic and TBC Classic want to play the game as it was. People coming from retail want instant gratification, features that do not belong in TBC, demand changes and so on. They want to change Classic into the thing we wanted to get away from. “I have work so I can’t wait give me dungeon finder it won’t change a thing” and on and on. If these people don’t like Classic it’s then it’s not for them simple as that. But they stick around and keep demanding changes and go around talking smack about how the game will “die” because one impatient brat could not find a dungeon group in 5 minutes. Give me a break.
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Classic is for everyone that wants to play it. Some people have different ideas, which is totally fine. You’re not superior to anyone. Imagine getting upset and thinking insulting people who have a different opinion when it comes to a 16 year old videogame is normal. During OG TBC the same ideas were floating around. But hey, please do continue to be toxic towards those people. It’s also telling that alot of the toxic nochanges people are people who have never played it when it was retail.
I don’t agree with them most of the times, and unless they’re acting like some of the people here, I’m totally fine with them having a different opinion and I can disagree with them.
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OP is on some heavy COPIUM.
TBC and Retail are 2 completely genre, TBC is an MMORPG, and retail is an ARPG.
If you wanna go mash buttons and spend more than half fight dodging circles on floor, you go enjoy retail.
I’m here to play an MMORPG, not ARPG mashed with dancing and mobile game dopamine hits.
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Retail is more difficult in dungeons/raids, but even then… the mechanics in general is what made me quit retail completely for classic into TBC.
I played maybe 3 months of shadowlands and realised that all my progress is tied around so much grind… that’ll likely be what happened with BFA and make me re-do the whole thing AGAIN.
TBC is way more grindy though, esp for PvP.
Some grinds feel fun and rewarding. I’d take classic’s grinds over retail Artifact Power farm with daily quests, but that’s just me.
And that’s totally fine.
I can just speak about this as a tank and not to much for tbc yet (still have to cap) but bwl and AQ40 were around the level of difficulty of a heroic raid tanking wise atleast, not claiming that those were hard just that tanking heroic nathria wasnt hard ether.
Totaly understand that.
Im just going to guesse you are talking about the hamsterwheel of m+ and world quests here becouse tbc is also really grindy but in a more intressting way atleast early on.
Pfft.
If the most unhappy - read: some horde - leaves, it will be a practically better place for everyone involved. Queues go down, world gets an itsy bit emptier leading to smoother questing (I still can’t during evenings in Outland) and so on.
The only downside is the last levels before 58 can get a bit rougher.
Unfortunately I don’t see a solution, playing horde and playing PvP correlates too well, not going to claim causation, would need about 60-40 or 65-35 overall population balance for PvP to be balanced, but that won’t happen.
In any event it’s a great social and psychological experiment. Also a great lesson for people like the OP about stubbornness.
( Blizzard did learn the lesson. They removed PvP servers, changed racials and all that. But this is BC Classic. Here it’s on the players to adapt. )
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Like you know, that game came for two weeks, and he spent his whole time telling people who are playing here for 2 years straight that they NEED this retail change, dont you find this kinfa stupid?
The hardest part about tanking is the threat mechanics mostly.
There’s barely any mechanics at all.
But we don’t really play classic/TBC for the high difficulty anyway.
M+, gear in general and I’ll throw in the fact that next tier… all your gear will become worthless as the massive increase in item level every tier.
Renown / farming for stygia for gem slots…
Yeah, I kinda have no hope for Shadowlands, whilst all these things exist.
And threat is not a problem in retail but its a problem here and I find threat to be a more engaing mechanic to deal with than big circles on the ground.
Nether do I, I had a lot of hopes early on but not now might give the next expansion a try as well if they basicly go back to a older school of desigine when it comes to gearing