Look at it all you beautiful boys. Look at all the thought and insight you’re all giving to the idea of how the story could logically progress.
The problem is, Blizzard won’t give it all a scrap of engagement we’re showing here. They’ll just go with what they think is “cool” and any rationality be damned.
I agree.
There is a say that the ancient Spartans avoided engaging the same oponent, too many times, so they couldn’t learn their strategies.
How many times has the writers, reuse the same plot , on us ?
That’s correct.
Even Bhuda is said to only forgive 3 times.
That narrative is exhausted.
Also correct.
None of the Horde players had a say in this narrative.
My character tend to look at Sylvanas the same way Obi Wan looked at Anakin.
Aster would say to Sylvanas the following sentence:
I agree, with this.
Too much has been done, to put in a polite way. They just went too far this time.
As another Horde player told me a couple months ago, even if we consider Old Gods manipulation that will not clean the Horde.
Because it’s not the first time this happens.
But unfortunatelly, I am afraid they will just reset the plot again.
Why ? We must ask ourselves.
My opinion: for the sole purpose of selling another expansion.
And that’s how you slowly kill a franchise, unfortunately…
Cheers.
“Continuity exists to enhance a story, not to tie the hands of creators”.
…
Drinking water only enhances your drinking water experience, you don’t need to drink water while drinking water in order to drink water.
A soup only enhances your soup-eating experience. You don’t really need to eat soup in order to eat soup.
With love,
Hala
This is fine. Legion wasn’t peace.
I remember slaughtering countless Forsaken scum for Greymane and even on Argus my kill priority was Horde > Demons.
Wonderful days 
In my opinion, for a fair peace the first thing Blizzard need is to fire all Ions, Kosacks and Metzens they have now, and hire a team of competent writers. Then we can discuss what kind of peace we want.
The best idea for a 2 faction system was what we had in vanilla. A Horde like a family, united and more aggressive and a bigger but more peaceful Alliance. Having 2 factions which are equal is a stupid idea. The best games are not 1 to 1. C&C had GDI and NOD with 2 different fighting styles, Warcraft 3 had different units on each faction, etc. Most interesting stories happen there.
On the other side, looks like swtor renounced to factions. So there is a way. Yes, they had a nice idea, and I am not sure Blizzard will be able to make a satisfying 1 faction game.
I do wonder sometimes why is it that everyone assumes that the Horde winning and having a bigger sway over the aftermath of this war, is something improbable.
And I tend to think so myself.
People expect the Vindicaar, Jaina, the Kul tiran fleet and the holy lightness of Anduin to be capable of oneshotting the Horde in a bigger blow if given the chance. Willfully ignoring that EVERYTHING can be countered.
It is not. When talking about mmo games it’s the only true way to go for.
It’s a good way to get rid of the remaining Alliance players that’s for sure as the Alliance as a faction would be turned into a complete and utter joke. The Alliance is already extremely incompetent and pants-on-head-stupid-good having to be saved by deus ex machina moments. Letting them then lose a war against a faction (which just burned a few thousand innocent civilians) would completely reduce the faction to nothingness.
Neither faction can truly “win” this war because the players from both factions would be unhappy and it would feel unfair for them. The only way is that both factions are completely destroyed and annihilated by some third party and they both disband to create a slightly more unified front (see what I suggested above). And even such a solution would create a massive amount of whining on the forums.
I am honestly just tired of the whole “faction narrative” in the first place. Neither Horde nor Alliance really stand for anything anymore and they are both just two different empires with different names and colors.
I want Furbolgs to join the Alliance and one-shoot Sylvanas.
And why is it that the Horde having an equivalent outcome is seen as more ‘probable’ or ‘bearable’? Horde players aren’t expected to be repulsed or quit if that happened?
I mean, as I said, even I have this involuntary thought.
Still, I’ve seen some evident tendency to punish the Horde additionally in this speculation regarding the war outcome. More so than the Alliance. Why?
This.
So freaking much!
Aren’t they doing it anyway? Darkshore was clearly a Night Elf +Forsaken story, and the rest of the Alliance and Horde was tagged on. 8.2 seems to have stories for Gnomes, Goblins, Nelves and NBs. Argus was mostly (and WoD patially) about draenei. Kul Tiras and Zandalar were mostly about humans and trolls. Suramar was mostly about (all) elves. Highmountain could easily have been just about Tauren. Aszuna and Valsharah were very, very clearly Night Elf stories. I could go farther back, but I think the point is clear enough.
And these were far from the worst stories we had. Why not focus everything on stories like that (next to the world-ending ones) in the future?
That is because you didn’t even attempt to make it fair. Araphant did, as much as you may think he failed.
Oh dear. I had hoped people could answer this sensibly, instead screechings of “Destroy Horde!” “Occupy Cities!”, and that was only about 60 posts in…That rather set the trend, Then I saw some of the usual suspects and paladin posters arrive and knew things were going rather south.
I was not proven wrong.
A Fair peace after BfA has to have two constituent facts. That both Horde, and Alliance players are satisfied with the outcome. Some of the ….less stable Alliance Fanbase will not be satisfied with anything other than “Alliance must Win! We Destroy all Bases! We Win! We Win Because We are Good!”
I think we can safely disregard their opinions.
Back on the topic of being sensible, any peace is dependent on the personalities of the characters involved. We know that Anduin ‘Plot Armour’ Wrynn will be the Alliance ruler. We do not as yet know who will rule the Horde, though a reasonable amount of conjecture would suggest either Baine or Saurfang, with Lor’themar as a -very- very- outside possibility.
The Personalities are important because they will dictate how the Peace works. The Other Factor is “WHat Happens to Sylvanas” I don’t think they will kill her off. I wish they would, but I don’t think they will, She is going to be deposed, not killed.
So how would that work? a Post ‘War of Blood’ world?
The Horde would have to have deposed Sylvanas, or she would have to have realised her position was Untenable. If the Alliance got involved, we’re just looking at SoO 2.0, and that would be rubbish writing for -everyone- but would especially leave unresolved issues. Blizzard -said- they were trying to finally settle the Faction War with this expansion. Having the Alliance come in and help the Horde fix the problem is just going to exacerbate things. Its S.o.O, its the Treaty of Versailles, its making sure that the war -DOES- kick off again.
The Horde has to deal with this problem internally. Which means the Alliance equally needs a reciprocal plot. Something they have to solve, with no Horde Help.
The Night Warrior.
Tyrande starts going so far in her personal war of vengeance that she is jeopardising any chance of peace, Anduin isn’t dumb, he knows how ‘Auntie Jaina’ ruined any chance of Peace during MoP, he knows the damage that one person can do, especially a person of influence. It ruined his father’s negotiations with Lor’themar, and made his own attempts at Negotiations something to be mockingly rebuffed.
Tyrande needs to be reined in. Genn too, letting his vengeance drive him, both driven by base desires the Alliance do not cherish.
That’s the Alliance Internal strife, to mirror the Horde Internal Strife.
Both sides back down…Agree to a tense, but tenable Peace.
Then Aszhara rises and goes “Surprise Guys!”.
A very loose coalition forms to fight Aszhara, and this time, I would like us to almost lose. Seriously, Ravage the lands, slay thousands, make it a desperate victory hard fought and almost lost. But finally won.
When the Horde and Alliance soldiers look at each other, across that bloodied field, piled high with the dead of the Naga, and their own dead, they shake their heads “No More. We share this world, or we Lose this world” Moreso, their Leaders realise this also, and so the Horde and Alliance, much smaller factions than they were, survive, have a tenuous peace but have learned their lesson, and no longer seek to war upon the other".
Oy! Classism much?
Or we can raid a tesco.
I was just contemplating that…
sips a glass of twilight red from the vineyards of the nightborne Sweet classism.
This also reminds me, a certain discussion, the story community held here before BfA launched, while I was unsubscribed during Legion.
A picture portraying the burning of the World Tree, Sylvanas and a wounded dieing Elf besides her.
How many posts and theories were created regarding possible outcomes ?
ActivisionBlizzard sure “surprised” us.
I hope I can look at this topic in a couple years and say:
You are lovable.
Cheers.
The horde did commit genocide against a playable race.
Also, they were the aggressors in the current conflict. Most people would view an aggressor in a war in a villainous light, and the bad guy wins, while getting away, may not be for everyone.