I know for a fact that gambling was mentioned about titanforging during early Legion, because I likened it to gambling in a post and I distinctly remember that. I don’t imagine I’m so inventive to have been either the first or the only one to do so. Obviously, it might have been compared to Cancer too, and a whole bunch of other negative things, I can see why.
I don’t mind our difference in opinion and I respect the fact that you disagree on some points. But there’s no reason to conceal the truth.
Sorry but that’s not true. Everyone had access to the content before lfr and everyone has access to it after lfr. Nobody’s stopping me from getting a group together and nobody’s stopping me from clicking a queue-up button. Lfr isn’t there to provide access to raids, it’s there to provide a free and shallow win. I’m not against lfr in bfa but let’s call things what they really are.
Again, this is completely false. Catchup mechanics were added to help people re-rolling and high end guilds recruiting replacements. Soft (or hard) nerfs exist to make sure that players don’t need to learn to progress - another free win.
When my guild first reached enrage on hc Hagara she was at 70% health. 3 weeks later we killed her, just a day before a 5% nerf hit. Why the hardest content needs passive nerfs is beyond me. Just makes people run out of content faster and have more shallow victories. If we can’t kill a boss then we don’t deserve the kill and can always come back when we’re more powerful or we can keep practicing and get better.
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I don’t have the reason to and I stand by my opinion coz I have the reasons for that due to my gaming experience.
Blizzard introduced LFR and made official explanation how it was introduced mainly because there was a pretty significiant percentage of the players which never got into the raiding. There could be more reasons why that did happen, due to their anxiety and the problems with interacting with people, their fear of getting into the raiding or because they didn’t have the experience with it from before because of which they were stuck in their gaming progression and weren’t let in into some of the guilds which raided at that time.
Oh please I have been raiding since vanilla I know what I’m talking about. The nerfs started even during TBC because there were bosses in the game on which some of the guilds would be stuck for a plenty of time, Bruttalus and Muru for instance were called at the time the guild killers for a reason.
Also that was the time when catchup gear and options were starting to be added at the end of the expansion and not only for hardcore guilds but for everyone. 1. All started with the attunements being removed at some point because the guilds didn’t wanted to get through old content for dozens of time like TK/SSC to attune their new raiders for BT and 2 .Lots of the guilds which joined later in the game and which lost some of the their more geared raiders because they were poached by the guilds which had better progressions were still stuck with the linear progression on doing older raids like Kara and SSC/TK when BT and COT were out and didn’t had enough of geared raiders to progress further.
I’m not the one who started it. You butted in with the childish ‘I’m not stupid, you’re stupid’ argument. So yeah. Look at yourself babe.
Btw, the gym was excellent. Thanks for asking.
You were first to claim in that conversation that you represent a majority, and then have the gull to call others out that claim they represent a majority. It is the answer of the typical hypocrite.
Read back. You’re wrong. Simple as that.
The thing I said was that Ishayu was a minority. I said NOTHING about me and like-minded players being the majority (because we’re probably not, the majority is probably somewhere in the middle of both of these ‘extreme’ opinions - see how that works; Reality. Common sense. Logic.).
I know, my guild was one of them. Those post nerf kills effectively made it fall apart since we felt we were handed the kill we were previously working for. We didn’t deserve it and it felt bad to get it like that.
Did I say something different? Changes were made to cater to high end guilds recruiting.
Again, I’m very much familiar with the situation. My guild cheered at the catchup gear, since we could “poach” players even more easily now. I played with a few of those players from the guilds that were stuck (we played together during wrath) and they cursed the changes. It made them lose players even faster, to the point where they couldn’t even get back in 25man content. Another change to cater to the top and the rest be damned.
We’re saying the same thing, I don’t know why you’re phrasing it as a “disagreement”.
Yep, exactly. None of these things has anything to do with accessibility though. People were pugging everything from Naxx to sarth 3d to ICC25 hc before lfr even came around (I know, I was part of these pugs on alts). It’s just that pugs sometimes failed - that’s what lfr fixed. It let people “get into raiding” by way of guaranteed clears.
We can argue if access=success or access=ability to enter/approach, but I’m not sure this is the right thread for that.
Which you had no proof about.
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Sorry but I will have to disagree with your last post totally and my view about those things is different than yours , so is my experience. I would even call now your post something else but will not go that far because I don’t want to break the forum rules.
Proof it. I can keep this up all day long, you know.
I know you are good at trolling. It’s how you deal with all that crap you spew and can’t back.
Did I hit a nerve? Why sooooo seriousssssss?
You bite, I bite back. Can’t deal with it? Don’t start a fight you can’t finish.
EDIT: Oh and just to be clear. I’m not trolling. I’m using your own silly tactic against you.
I do not troll, I try to back what I say with things I can prove. Trolling is not my area of expertise, it’s yours. And since I do not wish to be dragged down to your level, I’ll simply stop replying.
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The minority/majority “argument” is generally used without proof for a reason. Anyone that has a good argument to make, well they make it. Anyone that doesn’t calls on the “majority/minority” argument with no data or source. Asking for proof is pointless, don’t take the bait 
Just treat it as the poor argument it is and move on 
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This is pure trolling in and of itself. 
Obviously not, because you haven’t proven a single thing I called out.
Passive aggressive. I like it! You go girl!
I’m not a troll though. I just have better arguments and I don’t let myself get cornered in by people who use lame remarks like ‘proof it’. Sorry, not sorry.
You’ll never be ON my level babe. But I hope you lied. I like talking to you (even though your remarks need work).
Hope to see you around. 
I know. Pointing out the fallacy is for the benefit of others, to show how low the level of reasoning of that person is. If this was not a public forum but a private room, I definitely wouldn’t bother. The discussion itself is as futile as trying to teach my dog to speak.
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Asking for proof is the poor reply.
Look, I used common sense and logic. Do I have proof? No of course not, but I called someone out who has a pretty ‘extreme’ opinion on some matters. Extreme opinions commonly belong with minorities. It’s all based on logic.
Had Redoctober inquired about this in a normal way, like you, I would have gladly explained. But… That’s not what happened.
Calling for WoW to become an MMORPG isn’t an extreme view. In fact, the game is marketed as such. I’d say (and I could be wrong) that asking for a game to be what is advertised is more on the conservative side of expectations.
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You got the comprehensive answer, that seemingly boils down to “I say unbacked crap, but it’s not nice to tell me to back it up with facts, and because I can’t I start trolling and raving instead”.
It’s his definitions of what an MMORPG ought to be that are extreme. Not the term itself. Of course.