The thing about 50€ for “10 minutes of scuff” stood out to me. Most artists, especially those who are gonna be taking the average RPer’s commission, are distinctly underpaid for the hours and work they put in. Like, the amount of artists I’ve known who’ve needed to be dragged kicking and screaming to charge what their time is worth is more than a few.
Part of that comes from entitled clients who don’t really have a good understanding of what someone’s working time is worth.
The whole thing could be compared to me suddenly and bitterly announcing that all carpenters are the worst and that I’m glad their work is being automated, all because one of them made me a shoddy chair.
I’m not sure about the art-part, I just witnessed the posts of this person of late. When Coalburnt was having his meltdown in the other thread, this guy seemed rather supportive of him, and he seems a tad beligerent.
And it’s just something I’ve seen before:
-Seemingly random poster appears out of nowhere
-Seems somewhat hostile or atleast argueing in bad faith towards other forum-users
-Person usually gets found out having their own skeletons in the closet.
The whole thing about AI art reminds me of what happened on Steam Greenlight. It was pushed as this amazing program to bring many games to the Steam storefront from independant developers.
The trouble was that there was a flood of absolute garbage tier games. People who shoved any assets they could buy or poorly make onto the Unity engine, cobble together the bare basic controls and a menu, post it to Greenlight and then comment that their game will need all the backers they get because it was a super cool idea that needs help.
Those that managed to slip through were panned and then forgotten to the overwhelming negative list, yet they still kept coming.
Then they started offering keys to people to get their game greenlight so they could sell their game, because people could use those keys to get cards and make a small profit.
Quality control was in the bin and Steam saw dark days where terrible games or worse, stolen games, were published. A lot of games also bought ALL their assets, meaning that the developer did little but code the basics and shoved everything they could buy into it in an attempt to make back their profits.
If you want an example of one such developer, look up ‘Digital Homicide Studios’, and their infamous game ‘The Slaughtering Grounds’. This developer also bragged that he was helping the game’s industry by buying assets and trying to sell his game, cobbled together with nothing really made by himself.
(And as a fun note, the developer of Digital Homicide Studios completely tanked himself by trying to sue a video game journalist for $10 million and 100 steam users)
Been here quite some time. I don’t hide or try to obscure my identity, although have changed the character I post on a couple of times (Bleakhaunt/Baraghur/Gothicism.)
As much as I do not agree with the person’s takes about this particular debacle - arguing against the common crowd on the forums as of late has been permanently labelled as “bad faith” in the first place, i.e voicing any forms of discontent and disagreements.
Thinking that there could be any reasonable debates here that do not end up with slinging from one side to another is just naive in the first place. If anything, it’s just an unsubbed version of a Twitter.
“We don’t read and write poetry because it’s cute. We read and write poetry because we are members of the human race. And the human race is filled with passion. And medicine, law, business, engineering, these are noble pursuits and necessary to sustain life. But poetry, beauty, romance, love, these are what we stay alive for.
To quote from Whitman, “O me! O life!.. of the questions of these recurring; of the endless trains of the faithless… of cities filled with the foolish; what good amid these, O me, O life?” Answer. That you are here - that life exists, and identity; that the powerful play goes on and you may contribute a verse. That the powerful play goes on and you may contribute a verse. What will your verse be?”
That’s fair. The name Baraghur does sound familiar atleast, as does Bleakhaunt, but not as much anymore.
You’re free to disagree with me on whatever you want, usually I won’t mind and I’ll just bow out of the discussion if we get nowhere. My issue is with people who sometimes are unnecessarily rude for no reason.
I’m not under the illusion a wow-forum is a place for healthy debate, not after having been here for 10 years. But some could make a bit more of an effort in atleast trying to get their point across without unnecessary abrasiveness, and I’ll leave you to decide whom fits that shoe.
(For the record, I dont think you are currently, but text is a horrible way to convey emotions and context, so felt I’d add the disclaimer.)
Which is a healthy stand to have, no matter the side. Isn’t conveyed hard enough for the rest, however.
Agreed, but what do you call “unnecessary” and other “overboiled emotions”? If rudeness is a factor for someone being in the wrong - then it doesn’t matter if they are unnecessarily rude or not. Which sure, sinned myself many times, but I hardly consider that unnecessary.
And np, I don’t say you are, I am just adding my 2 cents whilst the servers were down - no better time than to check on the forums.
I love the state, and the state loves me. I live and breathe state-enforced traditional Catholic corporatism. The only acceptable form of capitalism is when the state dictates it.
In all seriousness, I do not think I ‘glazed capitalists’. My stance is, and remains the same since my first post. I don’t care for tech bro’s (nor the blockchain, as I’ve been questioned on in past threads), big capitalism, private corporations etc. in any regard.
For a large percentage of those it’s just a culture war beacon because of a great overlap of AI skepticism and other forms of activism they hate, and the general pleasure they get from punching down; They’ll performatively argue about “democratization of art” or “how about other fields being automated” but they don’t typically care about either. It’s quite rare to see a good faith argument from those angles.
“Cultural monopoly of artists” is a dogwhistle pretty much
It’s also a very strange accusation to make, that we don’t “make a fuss” about other forms of automation in various other industries/fields when this is a forum for roleplayers. Yeah, we’ll get into politics pretty regularly, but this is a thread specifically geared toward discussing AI generated images.
Is it really a surprise that a hobby forum will discuss things relevant to that hobby?
Of course, I also at weaponising class on a topic where the field is absolutely filled to the rafters with working class people trying to make a living off of their passion. Aiming at completely the wrong people there.
Also it won’t be the artists coming from wealth who find themselves out of a job, there’ll always be a place for failchild daycare jobs be that in finance or art.
slinging from one side to another is just naive in the first place. If anything, it’s just an unsubbed version of a Twitter.
