An in-depth look at Garithos and why he isn't as bad as people make him out to be

Think of them possibilities with the Lightforging process :wink:

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I’m not sure they can lightforge like 20 year old ghoul poop.

Derek was burned to ash and submerged for 30 years. And here he is, perfectly intact.

Trust me, should the plot demand it, Garithos will be reborn with 7 hands and a tail.

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Just because someone isn’t an ideal commander doesn’t mean that they aren’t a military and tactical genius. If Garithos were a bad leader, he wouldn’t have reclaimed Dalaran with just a few armies left, he wouldn’t have remained a significant player in the war for Lordaeron, and he wouldn’t have been necessary, due to his military might, to defeat the last Dreadlord. A bad tactician and an amateur leader doesn’t accomplish the above. Maybe Garithos wasn’t an ideal commander because he didn’t respect the subhuman monsters in his armies (I can’t blame him), or he was afraid to charge into battle (again, I can’t blame him as he was the last herald of Lordaeron).

Your last point doesn’t make sense. Yes, Blizzard intended Garithos to be a bad guy in Warcraft III, just like they intended Kael’thas and Vashj to be morally grey characters, just like they intended Kerrigan to be the big bad of the Starcraft universe. Just because Garithos was a villain many years ago is not relevant at all.

Besides, Garithos was presented as a villain because the story was told from the eyes of the madman Kael’thas who would later on almost doom the entire world by summoning the Devil himself. Maybe Garithos had many redeeming qualities such as a deep respect for his Human subordinates and a desire to estabilish peace and harmony once more.

Daelin Proudmoore was also estabilished as a complete monster in Warcraft III because the story was told from Thrall and his dogs, but in Battle for Azeroth it was revealed that he wasn’t just a genocidal maniac, but a loving father and a brilliant leader who managed to uphold peace and prosperity in Kul Tiras for many decades.

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Purge me, daddy Garithos! :heart_eyes:

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Yeah, he has never reclaimed Dalaran. That was Kael’thas armys and force! Not Garithos^^

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Your statement makes no sense. Kael’thas was taking orders from Garithos and willingly served him.

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But not Garithos tactic, not Garithos human trupps, not garithos command skills reclaimed Dalaran. All of that was Kael thas and his army.

In other Words. Garrosh is a weakling and fool.

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Source for that?

Even so, It doesn’t matter. Garithos was their commander and thus took the credit. It’s like saying that Ner’zhul had no hand in the destruction of Lordaeron because Arthas and Kel’thuzad are those who physically annihilated the kingdom. It doesn’t work like that. If you are a leader, you take credit for the feats of your subordinates.

In other Words. Garrosh is a weakling and fool.

A weakling and fool who remained in a position of power in Lordaeron a long time after the Alliance had all but fallen and was considered the strongest warlord in the region by the other Alliance nations.

If you were referring to Garrosh, yes, he was a weakling and fool who got what he deserved.

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Chronicles part 3

Because the troops of quel thalas…not because his skilks.

Kael thas reclaimed Dalaran
Kael thas reclaimed most of silverforest

Hahaha, No. It doesn’t work like that. Give me the exact passage where it’s stated that Garithos’ troops had absolutely no hand in reclaiming Dalaran or don’t make such bold statements at all.

Because the troops of quel thalas…not because his skilks.

You are making that up. Afrasiabi and Metzen never said anything of the sort when they were asked more about Garithos in the Round 3 of the Ask CDev.

Kael thas reclaimed Dalaran
Kael thas reclaimed most of silverforest

Also Kael’thas never reclaimed Silverpine Forest, in fact the region was occupied by the Scourge and Kael’thas needed the Kaldorei to even leave the region with his caravan.

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Chronicles Part 3 Page 90, Children of Blood and Star"

Numerous Alliance resistance nests were scattered across Lordaeron, but the largest group had entrenched itself in the Silverpine Forest. This force was led by a man, Grand Marshal Othmar Garithos. As the highest ranking survivor in Lordaeron’s military, he had not become commander of the army by skill, but by accident. And he was anything but an ideal commander: a fiery, xenophobic man who despised the non-human peoples in his ranks.
Prince Kael’Thas and his blood elves were not spared the bigotry of the Grand Marshal either. When the Prince offered his allegiance to the Alliance’s resistance, Garithos accepted the offer out of necessity alone. He didn’t try to hide the contempt he felt for the elves. Despite the frosty reception, Kael’Thas and his people committed themselves to the fight. The blood elves quickly emerged as one of the most effective combat troops in the Alliance army; they liberated large swathes of the silverpine forest and slowly pressed forward to the ruins of Dalaran. "

Translated from Chronicle Part 3 German Version.

Wrong, he does, and Dalaran too. Not Garithos, Kael’Thas and his Army did it.

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You said that Kael’thas single-handedly reclaimed Silverpine, which isn’t true, since he only liberated large swathes of the zone. You said that Kael’thas single-handedly reclaimed Dalaran, which isn’t true, since he only pressed forward towards Dalaran, slowly.

And anyway your point is moot since Garithos, as Kael’thas’ superior, takes credit for his actions.

Most of the forest was liberated from the elves.
And his army, and only his, pushed forward against Dalaran. Garithos had no part in this.

And Garithos didn’t do it because of his ability, it was only Kael’Thas and his army that made it possible.

Garithos Army was never in the Area…the Elves was the only one did it.

Garithos Army was never in the Area…the Elves was the only one did it.

look a few posts back…Chronicle Part 3.

Garithos and his humans…are unworthy and fools, nothing more, and garithos was a racist, and a bad men

The elves also took the city later, with the help of the Kirin Tor people who were still there and the night elves

That still doesn’t give Garithos any credit, none, it was his subordinates in the army, but not his property!

Not the entire forest, which is what you claimed. Also, pressing forward towards a city =/= taking the city. That’s not difficult to understand.

And Garithos didn’t do it because of his ability, it was only Kael’Thas and his army that made it possible.

Baseless spceulation. Nowhere is it stated that the city was reclaimed only by the elves, only that the elves pressed towards Dalaran, slowly. Quit saying things that aren’t even remotely implied.

Garithos Army was never in the Area…the Elves was the only one did it.

The elves were subordinates of Garithos as members of the Alliance Remnants commanded by him.

Blood Elves and Night Elves hunt down Illidan in Dalaran, The Blood Elves reclaimed Dalaran before and fought weeks against the raging Troops of the Scourge. Kael’thas was willing to fall back, before the nightelves arrives.

Again, where is it stated that the Blood Elves reclaimed Dalaran??

Page 90- 92.

Have fun to read.

What a waste of time.