I am kinda getting lost my friend.
You are deffending RFD because you want to make your own groups and majority of players want it that way, but you admit that letting RFD in game would cannibalize players pool, thus anti-RFD players being minority ?
Can I ask you a question ?
How long does it take you to make / join a group ( on avarage ) on TBC ? ( I mean normal group, not boosting service or carry runs. )
Do you know about our psychological quirk of choosing the thing that is easiest? Not always but most of the time people do that the 2 main reasons people dont is usually that they ether dont know about the easier option or that they dont enjoy the easier option. If we would take the playerbase as a whole im sure that most of them dont care in reality if the RDF is there or not. If its there they would use it if its not there they might run less dungeons but they would do other things in a game they enjoy if they only have half a hour to play like maybe do a daily quest or do some fishing or some light farming. Those people are most likely the real majority of the players, the people who are on the forums and on reddit and even the once watching the youtubers are a minority of players. The wast majority will do what is easiest for them to do if it is to press a button to get into a dungeon it will be that, if it is joining a casual guild it will be what they do.
That is basically what Zefri was saying in not as many words as I used. (if I havent misunderstood what he is saying ofc)
More or less yeah - like i wrote earlier, people almost always flock to the more convenient solution, and i respect that. I just prefer to have the choice in with whom i group up, but since RFD would cannibalize the pool of these manually created groups, eventually i would be left with the only option - RFD.
I don’t have anything against RFD itself, it’s just this is my preference, and having it would actually affect the way i play.
It varies. I usually list myself for a dungeon and wait maybe 15min for an invite, meanwhile i do something else. If i receive no invite by then, i make my own group. Finding a tank / healer is usually the issue, so when none are signing up, i just to a quick /who search for the class i would like to join and /w people directly something like “Hey man, need tank for X, you up?”. It doesn’t take long for someone to join, but it also can vary, depending on the time of the day/dungeon.
So if they implement RDF w/o random dungeon buff what really changin on difficulty wise?
What a hollow person. No one wants to have rdf cause it’s easier etc just because it’s more convenient and don’t have to deal with hollow people as less as possible.
Tell me how much you enjoy finding party for dungeons? How nice raiding pugs are you enjoying?
Okay, no worries,
We ll agree to disagree :] We both have different preferences.
I understand that this is the best case scenario, right ? I am usually making a group for about 30-50 min. depends on how eager I am to give up. If I tell you that I work in retail and dealing with, lets say, some extreme dumb people every day and comming home to finally spent some time in the game I like just to deal with the same absurdities. It just drains my social energy to the zero level. And I bet that there are some people like me, that just want to play the game and not be part another so called , social experiment , 
Grouping, getting there and back? That’s the two things I like about RDF, the buffs and emblems can go *** , and if needs be the grouping up too. But the TP is a must-have!
Thanks that saying hard part grouping. Guess we really need rdf
Absolutely, i understand that, it can be quite draining. Like you said, we just have different preferences 
I appreciate the calm discussion btw (i noticed it can get heated really quickly on topic of RFD 
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Someone is clearly willingly misunderstanding things or not reading past the first sentence of a post.
Im clearly not talking about the actual dungeon when I say what is easiest… Its the path of least resistance nothing more nothing less…
Just saw that you posted this… Literally the thing that easier meant in that post. If finding a party is to hard for you I feel really bad for you. I will probably not respond to you any more you are reminding me of a certain DH who also have a tendency to ignore everything said but atleast you havent threatened to report people so you are way less of a jerk than he is.
May I ask you. The boosting meta we had in Classic. Do you think that was good or bad? What made it good or bad?
For me:
hardest part: Getting there and back!
2nd hardest: assembling group.
3rd hardest: having ppl run whole dungeon w/o quitting.
RDF helps with the first two and harms number 3, offset by the easier to get new people.
And as I said a zillion times already: RDF is NOT essential, gamebreaking ect to me. It’s just nice to have - and NOT at launch, please - but IF we hever have it, the TP part is the one making me most happy.
No idea, I did not uese it, I was busy Questing. I’m not even sure I know what it is, and I do not see what the boosting meta from Classic /TCBB has to do with TP or not in second half of Wrath Classic.
And what would happen with that questing thingy when people can teleport to dungeons from lvl 15?
I suppose the Quests would still be there when I would return from running a dungeon and still have time to do some Questing, because I have not been running/FPing all the way, as opposed to Classic / TBCC where I did not run more than 3 or 4 dungeons exactly because it took me half an hour or more to go from where I was Questing to the dungeon and back again, plus all the money spent on repair and FP’s made it not worth my while - yes I’m a tank, no I don’t take bribes/reserve items etc. for tanking, I actually find tanking a dungeon now and then quite fun, if not for etc. etc. …
EDIT: Grammar
Not really. You will level MUCH faster in dungeons with RDF and outlevel the quests. My point is that “no one” really quest with RDF. Same thing with boosting, no one was really questing or running dungeons with boosting. Sure with RDF you actually play the game, but it’s just the same old dungeon spam over and over.
My point is that with RDF the whole World becomes useless and pointless. It also devalues dungeons and turns them into a chore instead of an adventure. Instead of playing the game in the World of Warcraft with the side activity of running dungeons it’s now dungeon spam from lvl 15 and the world is this pointless RP thingy you do when you wait in queue.
Hehe, no because I do one dungeon a week as opposed to one a year I’ll not outlevel contents, and should it happen, Besthen or Slaatz hopefully stands at the ready to offer their services from launch.
RDF does not force anybody to do more dungeons than they like. Those that like levelling via Dungeons, already do so, buying boosts or making groups.
Haven’t you heard all the people calling the levelling ‘tutorial’.
It turns Dungeons into a thing I could think of doing for fun instead of into something that I have to plan because I need at least 1½ hours uninterrupted playtime.
Nope! With RDF for me it’s Questingwith the side activity of Dungeons; PvP does not enter the equation at any point.
And I suppose I will already have reached Max level when ICC comes around - with the RDF 
And just to repeat myself. I am not FOR RDF, neither am I against it. I will be happy in any situation - only not given RDF from launch.
I guess moving across whole continent to dungeon for xxx time is not a chore but adventure ? How does that come ?
The world does not become pointless, you still need to gather material there, to do some quests for rep, dailies for gold, fishing for buffs etc. Or what do you exactly mean when you say pointless ?
Nevermind this clown. He just wants to have people to boost him while lvling and so scared to go in caves with alone needs a protection.
How did people dinged 60 when vanilla classic came; 8 man dungeon spam.
How did people dinged to 70 when tbc came 5 man dungeon cleaves.
Most of the people already doing so hard to not to enjoy “leveling” cause it’s not fun. It was on classic till dungeon spam meta but other then that every single area, quest, dungeon we already saw and your nostalgia fantasy and fobia of being alone while questing taking us to suffer on 80 going stupid Caverns of Time all day. Such a moron you can’t even have words to say to my arguments and still trolling other people.
Oh no, the horror. I need to spend 2 minutes flying to the dungeon…
Insulting does not lead to understanding.
I just came back for wotlk and I am kinda trying to get my grasp on the situation here. And TBH I am kinda pro RDF, even if it is dealyed for a while, starting of an expansion has definitely its charm, lately, after few months its just annoying not to have, but I cant accept any of the arguments for no rdf at all O.o
I cant describe how furious I am, while my hands are tied, seeing bots still running rampant, channels flooded with raid sellers and blizzard talking about core classic values, design pillars and classic spirit … like the f*** is that ? 
Sorry, it just feels like utterly grotesque nightmare O.o