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While high level tournament play showed that Rogues weren’t as lethal as people made them out to be the class still had excellent comps, performing well at the highest level.
Just because it wasn’t the best never meant it was benched wtf are you on about…
I got 2k as outlaw during season 1 without difficulty and with a healer, so yeah sub should be ez pz.
And I’m kyrian on my warrior.
But will they rly nerf? Last season the entire pvp community was complaining about warriors. What happened? Blizz slapped our faces with a huge d and gave warriors a 3% overall damage buff.
It seems to me that this expac, instead of nerfing they try to buff up the classes to the same ridiculous level that venthyr warrior had at the start of sl.
Only thing that needs a nerf is holy priests, those classes are only op if they play with hpriest. Remove mindgames and the death angel cd and we’re getting off to a good start
With how much Blizzard removed the downsides of Rogues, Stealth slow, and all the stealth restrictions, as well as the huge simplification of combo points, they should’ve adjusted their busted kit at least 6 years ago.
Theres absolutely ZERO justification for Kidney to still only have a 20s CD, up that to at LEAST 45s.
Also reduce the range of sap, its duration to 6s, and Subterfuge needs a reduction to 1.5s, if you really wanna keep that thing around.
Just my 2 cents. Rogues can’t have it all. It’s either crazy control, OR crazy damage, but not both. Sorry but it’s indefensible.
P.S. Also just remove BM as a spec entirely. Sick of seeing it exist. Only spec where they have literally zero downside from either being melee or ranged. Make every single autoshot have a cast time and maybe then we can talk about that spec existing again. Ridiculous.
Might as well start playing CS:GO or literally any shooter with aim bot on. Literally the same thing, not even joking.
BM. Should. Not. Exist. Above all classes. Even DH is more welcome to this game than BM as a spec. Because EVEN DH has some downside in its design.
Wut? Every god damned time blizzard “fixed” rogues you just swaped covenant until blizzard had to repeat it. Rogues have never been “benched”.
Oh so when your pet dies (which it does extremely easy)and you literally lost the game or have to burn your only major defensive cooldown to res it, you dont consider that a downside? That your whole existance is tied to the survivability of a PET?
Yesterday, I died on my 220 ilvl warrior in a single stun from a ret pala.
A ret pala, not using wings, btw.
Went from 100% to 0% in a Hammer of Justice stun, in an arena.
Just throwing this out there.
Well we, warriors, are well aware of what the spec can do.
Do you wait for us to beg for that screenshot or… ?
I’d agree with you if BM pets were as squishy as those from MM/ Surv or warlocks. But as it is you need way too long to actually down those and if the healer keeps them up it’s even harder.
Meanwhile the BM still just happily pillarpeeks and blasts you in complete safety.
If you somehow manage to down them, it’s yet another BM that has the menagerie swap PvP talent to insta summon a different set of pets.
BM actually had a weakness and that was his weak survivability. But then Blizz made Stratagem, GG one ability to fix it all.
Look, we all hate rogues, but that is just bait. Kidney is absolutely fine.
The Beast Within - Bestial Wrath inspires you and all nearby allied pets, increasing attack speed by 10% and providing immunity to Fear and Horror effects.
Also if you play vs lock/healer I guess you can pick the new “Kindred Beasts”, you need a feroicity pet and it gives you a +12% haste during 20 sec (3mn CD).
If you play with against a rdruid, the new talent " Tranquilizing Darts" is really OP imo.
That’s why you have this feel as lock vs bm, I it’s a hardcounter imo.
“Benched” KEKW.
You really wanna talk about benched in S1? Delusional.
the same kind of logic that made aff lock in 9.0 from squishy to immortal with a 5% armor buff 
The 5% armor buff never made affli go from squishy to tanky.
Some people just need to find excuses when they don’t have a clue.
i know, thats my point Same logic = no logic
No hes right its even 10x more braindead then venthyr warr
Could the OP clarify whether or not he is complaining about these Specs performance in 2v2 or 3v3? Because if it is the latter the game is not balanced around 2v2.
If he is talking about 3s it is avery different story. Sin has one decent Comp, RmP, otherwise it gets totally crushed by all melee cleaves, It simply cannot just sit there and tunnel damage like in 2s. BM also has limited good comps l.e Jungle because killing the pet in 3S is a viabh strat that kills the Specs damage. Feral is the only spec that I would agree is potentially too Strong.
Meanwhile in 3v3 TSG, Ret /Warrior, DH/ RET, Ww/Dk, Turbo, DH/war are all utterly insane, See a pattern emerging? There is a reason Double boomkin/ Holy is a very good 3s Comp right now, I wonder Why?
Just gut feral druid healing way way too much running around with high speed getting one cast of regrowth and getting to full.
Obnoxious gameplay and they got MS as if they were not already annoying enough.