That is a good question.
Mage and rogue will never be below s tier in pvp. They havenât been for one season since vanilla, and will never ever be.
Some things never change.
no i saw ww-sp too. And u oneshotted whazz 3 times as ww ahaha
Not sure why the link was to his specific post. Bust just read through that thread, and you will find your own posts where you actively defend WWs ridiculous oneshots. Unless you are some other cutipie, in which case this had nothing to do with you at all to begin with.
AWC has been dampening joke circus after MoP. Its boring, worthless and waste of time. Class design and gameplay is extremely bad.
All I see there is a post that says what the warlock could have done to avoid getting bursted down by the kyrian boomy and necro ww that had every single cooldown running and a CJ proc.
When you think a wall cd alone should be enough to counter two of the most bursty classes ingame, you canât be serious. One cooldown to counter like 10 cooldowns combined from two classes? One cooldown to rule them all?
Nah, that would be the opposite of competition and skill right? So I donât see where ww was defended, people just read and interpret into it what they want to read out of it!
Just check druid buff bar after 4 seconds of the clip. Proc trinket, incarnation, kyrian ability, wrath of elune is running, several other damage procs as much as the kyrian leggo.
That alone are 3 actively used things with a cd from 1 to 3 minutes combined with the proc trinket and leggo from the boomkin.
WW had at least SEF, bonedust brew and trinket running, combined with 50% crit leggo and a chi-ji proc. Maybe racial too, not sure about xuen, canât see it.
That are quite a lot of cooldowns!
That are massive cooldowns from two such burst orientated specs. A wall alone shouldnât protect you versus so much cooldowns. And it wasnât a literal one shot, they had enough time to react to it. Especially a resto shaman has such a nice arsenal to counter ww burst, what was he waiting for, when all the signs were there?
Boomkin trinketed lock stun, ww had chi ji proc, both are close and in LoS to the warlock. A 2600+ rated Resto Shaman should be experienced enough to predict the next 5 seconds, based on that scenario versus such a double dps team.
This particular scenario here might be a Bad example then but it doesnât change the fact that ww is completey out of control right now.
What class is not out of control right now?
But lets play fair and ask yourself what would happen to ww, ret, sub, ⊠if they werenât able to burst people effectively down anymore? Would you prefer a 80% warrior representation? Because that is what would happen.
I am not a fan of the current game state either, I prefer MoP, but itâs a fact that a lot of classes are only viable thanks to insane dmg spikes.
I didnât say monk is the only offender.
That doesnât answer the question. I have seen Demo Locks one shotting people, I have seen Affli locks landing a 55k deathbolt which is a felt like 0.5 seconds cast if they got pi and so on.
What class is not out of control right now? I donât know a single class that isnât able to global people. Some are stronger than others, but that was always the case. So what class is well designed and tuned right now damage wise?
Outlaw rogue x)
Just because damage on average is a lot higher rn, doesnât mean you can pretend that WW is acceptable. The spec has been dribbling people down through defensive cooldowns solo the whole expansion, be it as Kyrian or Necrolord.
The only spec that even comes close to being comparable is Ret.
Except it isnât because if the Warlock in that clip was playing against a Ret, Portal and Teleport would actually have saved him. If he tried that **** against a WW, heâd immediately Transcendence back on top of him, and then Flying Serpent Kick across two thirds of the map with clones in tow to follow the gate.
Alright, then nerf everything to the ground except for outlaw rogue. Canât wait for the outlaw is out of control threads. 
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Obviously warrior burst is almost as out of control as ww, so it needs to be tuned aswell. And you twist the words in a way to make it sound like nerfing is the only option.
You can also do some tweaking. It doesn have to be all or nothing. One way to make bursty stuff less bursty is to make hardhitting abilities do less damage but usable more frequently.
Demo lock require a lot of free casting and decimating bolt is a super long cast, you have to littĂ©raly forget the demo lock for about 20 second and his tyrant go to be os so if you die there itâs your fault 100%
Same for affli, there is a video showing a guy getting 100k deathbolt but you have to get all of your dots on all target and a lot of modifier such as skyfury /dark arch, badge with pi/dark soul and dark glare, it just never happen except at 1k4 rating maybe.
There is a difference between getting os by a monk proc whne he only has to use image and press sck and a demo or affli needing 20sec of free casting to be able to do the same.
Sure, but when have you seen Blizz changing all class designs mid expansion, especially when its mainly done for PvP?
Havenât you seen the interview between Venruki and Holinka? In the way the game devs see it, huge numbers are exciting. With that sentence alone you can realize, that they give a piep for PvP and only design for PvE.
But even there the subs are dropping and dropping, because basically nobody enjoys the game anymore.
The 55k death bolt I was talking about happend to a friend on 2.5k mmr in 2s.
There is no difference. Either one shots are bad for the game, or they are fine. But arguing like that one shot A is terrible but one shot B is fine is just dumb!
You could also argue that the monk needs to damage for x seconds first before he gets a proc and you can see the proc and he needs to spend 2 cds first, so you could react to it and prepare properly. But in your world that doesnât count I guess!
Y and what? mistakes happen at high cr too, he probably let the lock free cast for quite some times and could get his dmg and stuff at the right moment.
You can ask fearmydear, you almost never can get a os with how hard it is to setup compared to monk or whatever spec that we see over and over this xpac.
LOL never said it was fine, all os potential is a dumb design and shouldnât be in the game but crying on lock while you have to free cats for 20sec and a guy needing 1 proc and 2gcd to OS is completely different.
Yeah i have seen it. And i think he forgott there is someone on the recieving end of thos big numbers, and that person is not as excited about it. But no, i donât expect any overhaul during this expansion sadly. I think weâre gonna have to accept this will be the worst expansion for pvp of all time.
Holinka is so out of touch with the players, that he is digging a grave for the pvp section for world of warcraft
Not defending any oneshot but there is a clear difference in effort between a setup of 7 globals and applying a debuff somewhere and then wait for a proc.