I love how such a basic opinion that the last expansion made by Blizzard is better than the current expansion made by Blizzard, apparently needs to be flagged.
Anyway, BFA was better. The only thing SL is better at is gearing, but in most other important ways, BFA was way better. BFA at least felt what we do matter, it was a conflict in our actual world, which included new areas to explore and stuff happening in the old world. SL is isolated pocket dimensions with nihilistic, downbeat stories.
I cannot comprehend how anyone (outside pure pvp and I will concede the first raid is better) could think SL is better than BfA. Shadowlands is a soulless husk of a game. BfA had issues but at least I felt part of a world, had some connection to the story and the events. shadowlands lacks all this and I have to force myself to log in.
Judging by last nights sample so are others. I actually had to wait to find, then build a group for the world boss on reset day, never ever have I had to do that.
Genuinely curious here, whatâs to like about Shadowlands? Once the novelty factor is gone it appears as if the lack of things to do or things worth doing is its only attractive feature.
I canât see 9.1 being a saving grace based on what has been revealed so far. I didnât enjoy BFA much at all but I rank it far above Shadowlands, the absolute worst or all the World of Warcraft expansions.
one huge problem why SL feels horrible is due to BFA.s borrowed powers, no one can argue that they where not overpowerd, but at same time, they gave you an artificial feeling you are doing well, and your class became fun to play.
along comes SL, whit all the pruning in levels and healt (was needed), and all your power was gone, but it never came back at all, even if you got your legendaries and stuff, the pace of the game became slow way slower than in bfa, this made many feel that their char can not performe anymore at all.
this led to extream balance issues, what we still have, what again makes the game even more stale, due to most classes underperforming a lot, the skill system we have now is not where it should have been at all, and the legendaries we have do not perform for all as they should, and you have no real option at all.
what we need is to be able to equip 2 legendaries and remove the limit on what slot what leggo is put on, giving people more options to what to use, and at same time, let people choose skills from what ever covenant they are in, whit no limitations, so even if you are night fae you can use venthyr skills etcâŚ, this would give people way more option on what to use, even if there always would be that fotm combo offcourse.
it would give people way more freedom on what covenant to play and make the game way better, than beeing stuck whit one you migth not like to play at all.
Why was he flagged? 
he just spoke about his opinion
Bfa was by far the worst expansion ever made. There is no point in bfa that I found better than SL, or any other expansion for that matter. The worst system bloat ever, stupidly designed systems, unfun im every way, a poor attempt to shove people in content they donât like, that was bfa. Never again.
might have been the chars name that did it
exactly the same in sl though.
want the best gear, do high end M+ or Mythic raids.
want to be able to do some pvp, well farm arena for gear then, or get stomped in bgs for a long time, unless you happen to do high M+ or high end raiding that is.
you can not choose your covenant buy your liking, if you want to performe good in raid or even M+ again
you want to get your legendary, well farm thorgast for a few weeks, and then some more.
you want to do all quests there is, well go in to the maw then.
in BFA you could do M+ and be ready for higher end raids, can not be done in sl to some extent and way harder to gear up
you could literaly choose to gear up through M+ or raids
only thing that was horrible to gear up through was pvp in bfa, but you could choose.
do raids or dungeons and you would be geard up in no time.
I came back at the end of bfa, i am a vanilla player, long break out after MoP.
I am now item lvl 202, as casual worldpvp player i have nothing to do. I m now clearing bfa content, love assaults and isles, i would love also world pvp in bfa zones but are empty.
Bfa nostalgics, come togheter let s build a community!!!
For me BFA is the expansion I could not stand to play and here are my reasons
I only like 2 zones
Obnoxious cities
The dungeons looked and felt terrible to run
Azerite armor, and that you needed azerite level to get the perks
Spells for the necklace, took way to long and felt terrible to get, you had to do things you did not enjoy
On my warr I tried to farm the wep in kings rest that never dropped which was a 10% damage increase in PvP
It removed all the fun/good spells I got in legion, and some specs felt terrible to play without them
Warfronts where terrible
Island expedition was boring, I would rather get scenarios from mop back (was kinda the same but different)
Corruptions where terrible, but at least they got rid of titan/warforging
The only positive things from BFA from my point of view is raids and worldquest. Callings are better than the BFA chests though
Bfa was better because it had more content.
Some content was awful, some system such as azerite gear awful as well but it had plenty of things to do to keep people occupied. People complained they had to grind too many things but noone forced them to.
Shadowlands is an empty game in which they designed the raid a little bit harder and made the loot very scarce to force people to stay subbed. Otherwise people would have finished the âcontentâ in little time
Thatâs exactly not the same as BfA. It sounds right that if you want to pve you do pve, and if you want to pvp you do pvp. In BfA if you wanted to pvp, you did m+ and raids for gear, AND it was RNG on top of RNG on top of RNG. Never again.
BFA was better in every points for a PVE player
Lot of ppl did not like BFA because of the cloak grind ( that was so baaaaadd yes ) , Corruption vendor weekly reset , Azerite RNG when you had to buy 1 piece , Azerite grind .
And pvp players did not like corruption rng , and had to do dailes , but the corruption was so fun in PVE when you had every corruption you wanted , you felt so good and strong
Shadowlands is design for PVP players only , best gear in the game , no dailies to do , can do the maw while queuing for arena
pretty much this, pvp player kind of have an easier time to gear up than pve player, even still whit the valor points, it is harder to gear up through pve than pvp.
M+ in both expansions is bad, because M+ is simply bad.
Both expansions focused too much on having tiny zones. In the Ion interview we finally could figure out why - Blizz wants to cut down on travel time, so they shove everything together. This is a developer problem, not a player one. The Barrens is still an iconic zone simply because it was huge. Huge zones need to be brought back. Just look at RDR2âs success.
SL feels like less pressure to play, and while borrowed power is in full force, the power itself is tied to much less RNG. You donât have to worry about looting your bis talent trees like you had to in BFA. Unlike BFA, you canât just pay gold to change your talents any time you want, which is bad.
Overall, SL is much more engaging than BFA. I unsubbed 2 months after BFA came out and subbed back in for 8.2. The expansion has great content - Zulâdazar is great, Kul Tiras is great, the dungeons are great but the expansion itself felt bland once you were done with these⌠and to me, SL doesnât feel bland. It has issues, but it is at the very least engaging to me.
On my case BFA was what made me quit purchasing SL entirely.
The story was for me a massive turnover, to the point I wasnât even playing the expansion entirely.
I was sick of Sylvanas to the bone and when SL comes with another Sylvanas cinematic, that was the end for me.
Been chilling in BFA with Magni and Wrathion quests and honestly it feels amazing, being finally able to dictate what I do in game.
BFA - Terrible expansion. Never had this feeling in any other expansion.
SL - âFoul me once shame on you, foul me twice, shame on me.â
Cheers.
I wonder when people are going to try gearing an new alt in PvP since they say it is so easy, it is incredibly slow. Yes you can pick which item, yes you can upgrade them to 226 if you achieve 2.4kcr, but the amount of honor required to upgrade and conquest farm is really slow.
The best way of gearing is in pve, if you are fully heroic geared then it will be easier to gear in PvP aslong as you grab the âfreeâ 226 from m+ every week, if you donât want to enter mythic raiding
If you are considering time spent to reward, pve is the best way of gearing if you struggle to achieve 1.8kcr
2.1K, not 2.4k. 2.4 only gives you access to 233 weapons.
True, too much honor needed, which isnât that fun to farm anyway.
Addressing the topics you mentioned in your post
I prefer the classes in SL. It feels a lot better when the majority of your damage and healing are from your base toolkit with a little added from legendaries and covenant ability which is fine. Some azerite traits were interesting but as you piled essences and corruption by the end your character was secondary to the systems and I didnât find that to be very enjoyable
Because of the above, M+ feels a bit better for me, however I heavily prefer the dungeon design in BFA, they were just more interesting personally.
Raid is very good and had a blast progressing it. Some bosses are a snooze fest but others are very interesting to heal (Iâm going to completely ignore SLG for this comment since it doesnât deserve to be thought about) BFA had good raids, but Wow generally always does a good job with the raids.
PVP is much better this expansion no doubt.
Mostly what I enjoy is doing competitive content and enjoying the gameplay of different specs, particularly healers and so far this expansion has been doing a good job at allowing me to play my main a few alts competitively, this might change in the future with more systems but for now itâs been good. The amount of work you had to do to have a good alt in BFA was insane and that restricted me to only really playing my main, a bit of an alt.
Other than that I preferred visions to torghast and world content was more enjoyable in BFA.
Overall SL has been a lot better than BFA so far, thereâs a lot less restrictions for you to start up and get playing with a proper character, I just mostly miss the BFA dungeons for M+.
I hate to say it, but bfa was better
I was one of the few who liked azerite armor so ofc i miss that + healing well added a more healing-style gameplay instead of ââbut muh deepsââ as healer
+ Better dungeons
+ world quests werent a world questline so the rewards made sense
+ You could gear an alt in about 2 weeks sometimes even less time cuz gear drops werent more rare than a freaking unicorn