I do feel very good about insulting idiotic statements, yes. DW Blizzard will censor and remove my post in a moment to upkeep that safe space.
But yeah, go play FF or GW2 if that’s how you want to gear.
good for you
well I wont bother my self whit you to much to be honest, though I am lil baffled why you even answered my post in the first place, whit no idea what it was about at all.
and again I never stated I wanted bfa loot system at all, I only stated that it was easier to gear up in bfa than it is in SL, and for many people the new system is not what they want, I dont mind it to much, I bearly do M+ anyways, and as it is now whit the conent draught loosening the gearing could be a good thing to keep people in game until next patch anyways.
SL pisses all over BFA any day of the week.
As a raider there is nothing mandatory to do outside of the maw/torghast but neither were annoying and both took 30 minutes tops PER WEEK each. I absolutely love it. Imagine you have to grind azerite just to make the gear you’re getting usable to begin with, absolutely disgusting. Daily AP WQ swoop for months just to keep up until you got all of it unlocked, just for it to repeat next tier 
What do we have now? Anima, which is optional, which is NOT tied to power. I don’t bother doing any wqs at all or callings because I cannot be bothered in the slightest and I don’t get punished for it in raid. I get to actually play the game and not treat it as a chore to be able to play to begin with.
M+ is whatever, the dungeons are ok and I don’t mind doing any. In fact I like doing them because you get properly rewarded for it. Early in the tier it was kinda meh before valor but the great vault GREATLY compensated for it compared to the trashcan weekly box in BFA which, from release till end gave me a total of 2 usable items and unreal amount of duplicates.
Valor system is great, alts are piss easy to gear to 220+ with literally 0 effort because you get to not only target basically bis gear, you also fill the gaps of gear you have. Not to mention doing any key level gives equal currency so you’re never behind while climbing the keys on alts which is great as well.
Meanwhile what did bfa have? M+ items were useless unless socketed/titanforged. You get something, you insta vendor/disenchant it because it was trash. Even when corruptions got added they were so rare and even when you did get them after stupid amounts of runs it was some pile of crap like void ritual 
Raids are always great, some more than others but they’re ok in both expansions so far.
Also azerite and covenants are both horrible systems, especially covenants. It’s unreal they actually tied power to what could’ve been an otherwise amazing system. It’s early legion all over where you get a massive middle finger for liking more than 1 spec or trying to do more than 1 piece of content.
It’s obviously an opinion but I’ll agree that zone design for me atleast does not even make the list of reasons what make an expansions good or bad
Don’t get me wrong, having good designed zones is nice, but I generally don’t do world quests and that’s all the zones have to offer me after completing the one time story content
- No more titanforging (I could stop here)
- No more corruption (I could stop here again)
- PvP vendors exist (Again I can stop here)
- No mandatory (player power tied) A* power farm
- The PvP gear acquisition is actually good
- Less emphasis on RNG procs in the existing power systems
Slands issues is that it’s downsides directly affect its upsides however.
- Yes, pvp gear acquisition is nice, but because rating doesn’t decay it’s a valid tactic to pay for a boost to hit the rating you need for max ilvl and then just grind without ever doing any content that can drop your rating, creating a huge boosting market which basically hangs like a dark cloud over the whole season, This is being adressed
- Valor system still isn’t what it should be; copy paste job of the PvP system only for PvE
- Torghast being the main source for soul ash while it has 0 replayability because once you’ve seen one layer honestly you’ve seen them all (a rating system will not add replayability to torghast, it’s just the same Torghast, only now you’re being judged by how you do it)
I would take SLands over BFA any day, but I’d take Legion over both
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No Battle for Azerite was worse! People like to forget how bad the past expansion was when the current is almost as bad! But ofc…personal opinions etc!
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Isn’t this thread an example of how hard it is for Blizzard to ‘get it right’. There are completely opposing statements from players. People providing lists to why something is good and someone else listing the same reasons to why something is bad.
It is truly a thankless task that can never be achieved in my opinion.
Storywise, while I don’t like that much the current one… I think bfa story was much worse. Chapter X of the same Alli vs Horde where everyone know right from the start that the story will go absolutely nowhere cause both side playable so no side can win. For me anything better than that.
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Completely agree.
The worst part is: I believe faction conflict is going to return after SL.
From what I gathered in the story Forum, the next expansion, is going to take place in Azeroth, years after the player character has departed to SL.
There’s a strong chance, it will be focused on the armies of the light: Yrel.
With Anduin disappeared and Turalyon in his place, there’s a strong possibility the Alliance is playing the Horde version of when Thrall left during Cataclysm and Garrosh took his place.
After all Cataclysm happened in a revamped Azeroth as well.
If that’s true, than I am skipping another expansion.
If SL comes for free, in that period than I will again have a lot to do, without the need of purchasing anything.
I can already see:
“SL was better than (insert new expansion).”
Hopefully, I’m wrong.
Cheers.
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Even Legion hated by some, particularly artifact power.
WoW’s at the stage that people have been there done that a thousand times. There not much Blizzard can do original with the game.
Nice list but actually no compelling reasons why Shallowlands is better than BFA apart from maybe pvp which up until you have to pay for a boost, I kind of agree. Most people that like SL generally list things they no longer have to do rather than the content there is to enjoy.
I preferred bfa because there were no stupid covenant’s which effectively lock you out of half the game if you pick the wrong one. BFA may have had systems, but at least you could access and equip any of the available powers if you did the grind.
That’s not saying much
A growing through potato is better than BFA
Eeehhhh…??? SL is the worst expansion ever when it comes to gearing. During Legion and BFA there was always a way to keep up with the myticraiders in gear. Now when you are a casual player you are 20-30 ilvls away from them and there is no other way to get gear exept M+ raids or extrem pvp. The casuals playerbase is the biggest of them all but in this expansion Blizzard has totaly destroyed the game for us.
Then its also 1000 other things like anima, Covenent, stygia and the most boring zones in the games history. So its sad to see a game that i love has become pure rubbish!
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are we playing the same game ?
Dungeon loot is useless because its 16 ilvls behind the weekly vault loot. There are no borrowed power systems that would increase its power outside of what is determined by ilvl, so its complete trash, unless you upgrade it, but then still below your weekly chest level.
Chest becomes the only source of higher ilvl pieces unless you raid/ pvp at higher level. If RNG isnt favourable it doesnt provide you any upgrades, since you can only get one item a week. Even if it was for you, theres still plenty others that are stuck because they’re getting duplicates or items for their bis leggo slots.
Alts are easy to gear if you forget valor is season capped, and, especially if you try upgrading weapons, it literally cant be enough to upgrade all of your gear unless you’re routinely doing +14-15 for base items, in which case you most likely dont need it anyway.
its called confirmation bias, the same vault got me a single upgrade over the course of last 2,5 months, and more than 10 duplicates, while im floating around 211 so literally anything from the chest could be an upgrade for me doing +10.
Both benthic gear and corruption items outperformed regular gear of much higher ilvl. What it essentially meant was that outside of your weekly chest that awarded highest ilvl, you could still find an item that performed well and could be, at least temporarily, an upgrade over what you had. Which is, objectively, not the case now that all of those systems were removed.
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I still love BFA dungeons more. Ahh… I wanna tank 16+ Tol so badly again…
Dungeons are better
CN is better than Uldir
Classes are better in 9.0 than in 8.0
Hindsight can be a real b***h sometimes…
As a casual altoholic player SL is rubbish compared to BFA, and BFA wasnt as good as Legion.
are we playing the same game ?
If your main is still 211 like you said below then clearly not.
Dungeon loot is useless because its 16 ilvls behind the weekly vault loot. There are no borrowed power systems that would increase its power outside of what is determined by ilvl, so its complete trash, unless you upgrade it, but then still below your weekly chest level.
A 220 item with good stats will highly likely beat a 226 with stats you don’t want. Even bigger difference for items such as pox storm and phial of putrefaction.
Chest becomes the only source of higher ilvl pieces unless you raid/ pvp at higher level. If RNG isnt favourable it doesnt provide you any upgrades, since you can only get one item a week. Even if it was for you, theres still plenty others that are stuck because they’re getting duplicates or items for their bis leggo slots.
You get up to 9 choices, I have had a couple duplicates pop up regularly but it doesn’t matter because there’s 8 other choices. Personally I didn’t bother with pvp outside of the earliest weeks so it was only 6 for the most part but that was way more than enough to fill the gaps in gear.
Alts are easy to gear if you forget valor is season capped, and, especially if you try upgrading weapons
Yeah, you use it to fill gaps. Just like the box, the raid and pvp. You do the content, you get the gear, you chose what you want to upgrade based on what the other sources gave you. You don’t exclusively gear by doing 1 thing only.
it literally cant be enough to upgrade all of your gear unless you’re routinely doing +14-15 for base items, in which case you most likely dont need it anyway.
14-15s drop 207/10 and you can clear them with lower ilvl as long as you know what you’re doing.
its called confirmation bias
Except it’s not. Have you tried maybe doing more content? If you’re 211 at this point of the patch you either just recently started or you’re not doing anything relevant to gearing up.
while im floating around 211 so literally anything from the chest could be an upgrade for me doing +10.
…or you can do a bunch of dungeons and upgrade gear to 220 while also getting more choices in your vault.
Both benthic gear and corruption items outperformed regular gear of much higher ilvl. What it essentially meant was that outside of your weekly chest that awarded highest ilvl, you could still find an item that performed well and could be, at least temporarily, an upgrade over what you had. Which is, objectively , not the case now that all of those systems were removed.
Benthic, sure. Corruption gear was absolute garbage almost always. Sure you could get it outside of the weekly, but it was trash. All the proper corruption gear came from BoEs/vendor unless you were incredibly lucky. First it had to be the right slot, then a decent ilvl, then the right corruption and also needed to have a socket which was a massive diff during bfa.
Same thing every expansion lol. The newest one is always the worst until they release the next one and suddenly people get nostalgic for shadowlands…
naturally, except SL provides fewer options to gear unless you let yourself be pressured into doing pvp, which many people have no interest in.
Raiding + m+ is still significantly less loot than BFA in 8.2 or 8.3.
which is irrelevant to the point made, valor upgrades are ineffective resource wise, so they only make sense if you have base items of very high ilvl already.
except I already said what is the issue - im doing content to get items, but items I get happen to not be of any use 
max rank TD would outdps items 40 ilvls higher. If you consider the fact that visions got you guaranteed corruption items, it would still net you more chances to get dps upgrades regardless of ilvl of the rewards than you have now.
I miss Freehold…
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