Blitz. 2 wins in a row Rating UNCHANGED, lose and -15

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M8. Good players how much? 40% of all payers? 30%? I am bet you won’t prof anything, because you already have 3 character which climb in mid of season :wink:

Look m8. I really do not care about MMR and rating. I do my conquest cap with blitz, enjoy blitz because it’s a bit better than random, solo shuffle and that’s it. But I can’t ignore that system is stupid completely. In another hand solo shuffle I consider as best PvP system in WoW today. And shuffle require duels, damage, buttons, lot of stuff. But here we talking about BG’s.

So please try to understand. Nobody arguing that you are maybe a hidden top player. But you ignore a facts because of it. Don’t please.

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If you dont care why you created thread where you cry that you stuck on 1400?

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Because it’s not normal. And because I really like idea of solo queue. As I said, shuffle is the best thing wow ever offer. But at some point even I gout burned of this MMR. And I would completely agree with you if I lose all time in a row. It was at beggining of season. But I’ll manage to fix that. And give or take I odds. But… one more time: win +10, lose -15, win +9 ,lose -12, win +8, lose -12…

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This is how mmr works. It’s not a bug. If u reach 1800 rating but you tank your mmr to 1400 cause of a losing streak, you wont gain rating, but have to climb ur mmr to 1650+ to start seeing rating gains again. It’s always worked like that since TBC arena in 2006, and it wont change. Just cause u are in a 5-6 game loss deficit doesnt mean the system is bad.

Theres tons of problems in pvp, mainly class tuning and mmr issue in shuffle and 3s, but what u are mentioning isnt the problem.

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iam stucked 1600, queueing matches and getting in team where iam top 1 or top 2 highest CR, 6 people from the enemy team are 1500-1580 CR and 4-5 people from my team are 1300-1500 CR…like how blizz expects me to carry this game when the majority of the enemy team are 100-300 points above most of my team mates. Ofc more CR doesn’t mean more skill BUT in most of the cases people with more CR more skilled than those with less CR.

why matchmaking works like this, i can’t understand

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No. System is bad. Not because of me or my 100+ games. In general. Especially not applicable to Blitz.

Class tuning – agree with you. And other PvP problems as well. But topic for mmr.

Because hard to implement new logic. Needs to be developed, well tested. This is a significant amount of money. I guess. Blizzard just won’t do anything because people who lives in game and PvE players are satisfied.

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MMR increases faster than CR. If you dont win more than 50% of your games your CR will get closer to your mmr, since it doesnt move a lot anymore. this why your CR is the highest in the lobby.

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I believe the problem more stems from the system being confusing, as it makes no sense.

First you got your placement games, you win 10 in a row, you skyrocket up the MMR. Now, the weird part for me was, after placing, I gained next to no rating on the wins following. +3 to +8 CR. This indicates I am playing not with equal MMR/CR but lower scored players. That the game was impossible to lose. Yet the endscreen showed everyone being 1500-1600 rated.

So, I was wondering if this slow climb was just what it was. I started to think it was just going to be a slog of a grind. Then I lost one…

-28 rating. That was more than I had earned winning all that day. Gone, in one loss.

Basically, I slow crawled from 1500 to 1600, got to 1598, then got slapped down 28. Next game I won, gained +5, lost the next and lost 25.

Solution was to just grind at this weird hyperinflated or deflated MMR:CR rating I had begun with. As clearly I was placed far too high compared to my CR, or perhaps the other way around. Either way, I was placed in this awkward spot of CR simply being impossible to get for 4 days of gaming.

It took me over 15 games to balance out CR/MMR to start ‘playing the game’. Gaining a little bit more in 2 games of winning, than 1 loss would punish. Even so, I was always fearing another winstreak, I did not want to go through the CR to MMR imbalance I started out with.

It just was a terrible road to get to that point of actually starting progress.

Note; I dont mind me “struggling” to get rating. What I personally mind is that I so clearly was placed far too high in the brackets, having to equalise downwards was a terrible experience and not fun at all. I rather have started at 1300 CR and slowly working my way up. Than starting at 1600 and go down to 1400, for then going back to 1600.

It is this mental strain from a system that seems inverse, aka: you go down to go up, instead of starting down and going up.

Sure, it makes sense for the more skilled players, and especially duo players, who can capitialize on their skill. Yet for me, I was clearly a fish placed in the wrong pond, and it sucked getting back to where I belonged.

I rather have started with low MMR and built it up - instead of building it down. Is the TLDR.

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That’s exactly what is it. Not every player so skilled to make this system ok. :slight_smile: And many players feels like a fish in wrong pond!

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this problem happens mainly duo to lack of players as you can see it also in other moba’s were they want you to find quick match rather than long wait and get unbalanced match

thats not even problem , problem is in the deflation of rating is whats makes it of a joke

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I v been in your spot when i start playing blitz and for a moment i felt the same but as this system works you need to be patient and do your best.
you have to win a few games at your rating and then you mmr will start to pump up as long as you reach the highest mmr you can get you will play with players same skill like you and the matches will start fells more balanced.
Cr is going up really slow but since your mmr is higher than your cr you will not lose points from losses.
Because every new player joining blitz will start him from 1500 mmr the rating around 1500 feels weird you have to push for 1700+ mmr to avoid all the newcomers

The only advice i can give you to help you in game is: always do objectives.
BGs are about objectives points not kills not dmg, check how every blitz BG works and follow objectives.

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But this is artificial problem. That’s why I wondering. Right now I have around 39$ win rate, not bad overall in this week. But still… I’ve reach 1594 and drop to 1480… Yes, win rate still less 50% but… 3 game in a row win, 2 of them Unchanged 3rd +9. Lose -15, -12… etc.

That’s exactly what I am saying in multiple topics. Blizzard must fix that. Because stupid and sensless. You could struggle a lot and spend huge amount of time and even have win rate, but still at the bottom :slight_smile:

In one hand I do not care, in another hand I’m quit game during Shadowlands because of same stuff with RBG. So I am puzzled.

UPD: jsut this week so far I have win:played → 37:70 and rate no gain, bacause win +6 win +9 lose -12 lose -19. :slight_smile:

When people says no bracket hell exist… aha… ^^ so cute.

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its because blizzard is a company after all , main way they make money is by subs so they make rating very hard to get in the name of ( achievement ) while in reality they want you to sub as long as possible

which is stupid tbh cuz if someone ever get their desired ranked they will simply switch to their long alt’s list and play them and rank them too , but making ranking 1 character a nightmare to do will cause people burnout in the long run

only way to fix it is by removing deflation for sake of alt ranking and making game fresh over all and fun to try more classes

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Yeah, I guess needs some re-fresh. They claim it alts friendly now. Usually I have 4 chars, Horde war + dru, Alliance war + dru. And I want BG’s but BG’s entry level for alts so difficult, that you even don’t think about it. I mean hard gathering way of rating rather annoying and plays towards unsub. In case that you do not like PvE. So… blizzard just do not think at all, they go for minimum effort. :slight_smile:

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say what ? im always explaining tactics in chat at the begining clear and on point. guess what ? ppl are not even reading that. tons of times happened while we were 2 at 2400 and rest at around 1800…you know why ? u ready ? cose at the end of the game when we ofc loose thy DONT LOOSE RATING - me and the other 2400 were the only ones loosing ! my god logic is about to die on this earth i swear. man i hope all of you geniuses hit 2500 so that you get hit by what im saying and i wonder how many of you will go full Jesus mode- turn the other cheek.

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I have managed to go up to 2.4 and the truth is that it has been a disastrous experience.

Half of my games have been starting from 1400-1600 because the people there are horrible, but once you get to 1800, things improve considerably (it’s not that you find very good people either, but you already play with people who understand the mechanics a little and they will win and not waste time). Once I reached 1800, I was able to climb little by little until I achieved my goal, which took a while, but I managed to achieve the title of 2.4 rbg.

My advice is to keep playing, in the end with a little luck you will rise. I also recommend that you find a low-rated heal partner, or that you play a class that can rush a game.

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I really like Blitz even if im not the best player. I do understand how the rating system works but after losing some games and then i finally win 2 in a row and getting 0 rating both matches after you just lost 15/20 every game is just not motivating at all.

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Yeah, that’s the point :slight_smile:

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Getting 0 for a win should not exist in a game. just no respect for players time.

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I think should be solo rating, and this easy to implement. But we speaks about blizzard, right?)