You may say this, but you have no evidence for this claim.
I mean, you can also try to add something to the conversation instead of being a liar and saying you timed “a lot” of 12’s. While you timed 3 on the comparable keylevel of like a +9.
Lets get real. First to yourself.
THAT would actually deserves a pad (pat? stupid english 
) on your shoulder.
How is it lying? I did time a lot of 12 keys. Because anything more than one can be seen as a lot or many. And I do understand your jealousy in regard to that, because that is where the significant difference comes in.
The issue is not whether I timed them or not, because the logs exist, the data exists; the issue here, is your reaction to it. You need to believe it as a lie, because accepting it as truth would mean confronting the gap between us. That gap, is what truly bothers you. It’s not about numbers or keys; it’s about the contrast which I create in just being. While you ATTEMPT to reach that contrast by forcing.
You see, when someone stands above, others who cannot reach that level will try to diminish it instead. This is the same pattern I see and have observed everywhere. People who would rather discredit reality than acknowledge their own limitations. We have seen it recently and it can create big issues in the world. And people walks around discussing these things, as they were some observers outside it - although they were the ones creating that problem to begin with. If conflict exists within you - why do you expect there to be no conflict in the world? You are not seperated from that conflict if you can see it. You are that conflict. And instead of looking, or coming to an understanding of it;
they attack. Instead of learning, they deny. One must realize who is in power and who’s not. You either kneel down to that power, or you dont. So whether you accept it or not, the result is the same … I timed the keys. The only thing left to question is why you feel so strongly about it? Can you instead of reacting, instead observe that reaction and ask yourself why one reacts, and why does one need to react at all? And from that observation, can you see that the same thing happens in the world around you?
Jealousy from you timing 3 +9’s? 
Attempt? You really haven’t looked at this char i stopped almost 2 months ago playing on, did you. Yeah i also play this game. Imagine bragging about timing 9’s towards someone who timed up to +14.
And all that about attacking and conflict. Not worth it to respond on.
You may say this, but if I take a stone and drop it, without anything carrying it, or catching it - it will drop to the ground. This is determined by the laws of nature and gravity. It does not matter if one believes in it or not, it will fall to the ground. It is not gravity that makes the stone fall, gravity is an explanation of that process, but gravity itself is not what makes that stone fall to the ground. The description is not that force which makes the stone fall.
The force exists independent of the explanation. However, would that stone have fallen to the ground if there is no experiencer of that stone falling? Because if there is no one there to observe that the stone first had to be picked up - and then dropped before it hit the ground. There are missing details in terms of the one who was supposed to observe that.
But then the mind comes along and investigates - to come to the conclusion that the stone must have been dropped.
In the same way, if I take the north and south of a pole - and cut it in half. I will not get rid of the north, neither of the south. Instead, I have created a new north and south pole.
I have been able to beautifully craft a +12 route which was great by the way - before the end of this season. And that is from less than 2-3 years of playing, with little or no effort put into m+ before the later expansion (Dragonflight). And that is a great achievement - because you would not be able to get there in such short time. And you are mad for this, hence why I say you are jealous, because you truly are. And there’s nothing wrong with that. However, one must be able to observe that jealousy in one self and try to come to an understanding of its roots. Because you are jealousy when that feeling comes, and the reaction to it - creates a conflict, and you are that conflict.
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Its really not worth trying to argue or debate with “the significant difference”. Tells us enough when people brag about timing 12’s in post season. They are either delusional or a massive troll, possibly both. Dont waste your time 
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I’ll have you know, I’ve soloed several mythic raids. I mean it was all legacy content and way easier than when it was current, but still. This makes me the significant difference.
So funny reading all comments here its like they are pro gamers and everyone else in their group make mistakes while probably u also make mistakes and are joining your level of keys.
Hold my Aerie Peak Pale Ale. Group up with me and you’ll see me do 120% of the group’s mistakes!
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Apparently our allmighty, allknowing Vawek does not.
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Technically Warriors do have utility, the problem is that the utility is INFINITELY worse than it should be in order to compete with other classes, let me give you some examples:
- First and foremost, Warrior has no BL and no CR. This is a massive L for Warriors and why most people don’t wanna invite us.
- No dispell for affixes or help allies, only self-usable on a 3 minute CD… 3 MINUTES!!!.
- Rallying Cry is a joke, 10% increased health for 10 seconds on a 3 minute CD… Resto Shaman has this same buff permanently while healing
- AoE stun on a 40 sec cooldown, good. Sadly it shares DR with Storm Bolt…
- AoE fear on a 1.5min cooldown that can work as a semi-kick, problem is it can also ninjapull depending how far the enemies are because it makes them flee, so it’s risky.
- No purge.
- No externals.
- No roots.
- No gimmicks (Mind Control, Shroud, Rescue, BoP, etc)
200 score is massive at those high key levels, keep in mind each key let’s say from 16 to 17 only gives you around 6 points.
I think giving Warrior BL would not only make sense lore-wise but also help tremendously getting into PUGs.
No it doesn’t. It’s 15 points per level, with a 25 point jump from 9 to 10 and a 30 point jump from 11 to 12.
So its about a 1.5 key level difference. Warriors are timing an 18 ara where the top teams did a 20 etc.
I’m not here to litigate warrior utility, I do find people underplay it when they are trying to point out how bad ‘insert class here’ is. Arms can taunt and parry dangerous mechanics, warriors can taunt and spell reflect massive hits. I’m not sure if there are any useful instances of it in s2 but a good warrior would basically kill the last boss on halls of infusion with spell reflect - boosting his damage by 60%.
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Can you show me anyone apart from the 1 person IE the monk claiming that? didnt think so.
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Not sure why you mention low keys here but they are irrelevant in this conversation, so from 12 onwards the gain is 14 points per key (the table is not 100% precise).
Using the same example you mentioned, Ara’kara +18 to a +20 is a 2 level difference which is massive in my opinion.
Taunt+Reflect is gonna get you killed because the boss will autoattack you (so only Prot can make use of this), and Taunt+Parry defensive is so niche that I can’t even think of a single scenario where this is worth it, and it’s also only usable by Arms and straight up unusable in PUGs.
Not only that, but you are losing your only defensive so if there’s any other mechanic later you’re dead. It’s never worth to waste your only defensive for something like that.
You are jumping from one spec to another like they all are the same when in reality they are not. Prot can do stuff that Arms/Fury can’t, but Prot has a advantageous position due to being a tank and only competing against 5 other specs, whereas Arms/Fury have to compete against 24 specs with more and better utility and usually more DPS aswell since Bliz hates DPS Warriors and only wants us to tank (although that’s for another topic).
Jesus, nitpicking its 14 and not 15… when you said its 6. Are you for real? The point is you were out by 1.5x
Im not jumping from specs at all, you needed one ability to do this, spell reflect.
You also moan about ‘why do i talk about low keys’ then go on about what will and will not work in pugs - do you notice the hyopocracy?
Debate honestly or not at all.
If you just want to shed a quiet whiny tear thats fine, just be honest about it at least.
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When muffins like you refer to ‘balancing’, what you really mean is you think your class has the right to be highest dps in the game.
Go away.
Correct, and you were over by x2 talking about 9-10 keys which like I said are irrelevant in this conversation.
Yes you are, I explained why Spell Reflect and the Taunt+Parry combo are unusable (for Arms/Fury) and you failed to give a counterpoint because there are no examples of this being applicable in a real situation. You refuse to accept that it sucks and instead blame on other players for “underplaying Warrior utility”.
I suppose you mean hypocrisy, in which case no, I don’t see it and I reaffirm what I said, in high keys 200 score or 2 key levels is a massive difference.
I’m not sure why you resort to personal attacks and call me dishonest, go back to my first response and you’ll see a nice list of reason of why Warrior utility is bad and a suggestion on how to make us more invitable to groups.
I’d rather do that in private.
Dejarous didnt even reach 3k on his main with premades I would take what he says with a big grain of salt
The OP got to maximum +11.
It doesn’t matter what keys they did or how much score they have, I don’t believe in order to share an opinion or have a debate you need to be top 0.1% player otherwise nobody in here could post.
Just stay away from personal attacks and try to argument your points, preferably in a respectful manner.
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