Blizzard..just..what? We don't trust your 'systems'

[Microbyte-scarshield-legion]

And exactly the point im making. Big threads tends to turn into echo chambers.

[Thimli-silvermoon]

@Deadduchess-silvermoon

Maybe in perspective?

Sure if you compare it to the “millions of players”, I guess?
Any game forum has the exact same issue.

That’s a little bit of a biased perspective though isnt it ? He sees what he wants to see. And I agree about the game forum part , most people just dont care about forums

[Daestra-turalyon]

@Thimli-silvermoon

basically saying that 6k messages and more than 17k views are a minority and shouldnt be taken into account

6k users from a playerbase in the region of 2million worldwide is not the majority .

[Thimli-silvermoon]

Also just to add a little bit of background , so far on the US forums :

One thread that is in agreement with the systems as they are right now , with about 5 people agreeing with each other and the rest disagreeing.

About 4 to 5 threads with an extremely huge majority of people agreeing with each other , counting overall about 22000 views and more than 7500 messages.

I think it pretty much speaks for itself that this is a problem for a huge majority of players.

[Deadduchess-silvermoon (Deadduchess)]

Such is the nature of the beast.

Any forum or community, can turn into an echo chamber just because “someone will agree with me!”.

Regardless of how harsh of an example it is, there are people that find shared understanding and love for “mein kampf” under some communities.

A final line, from me (i hope?).
We operate under the rules set by Blizz. I may think that people need to pass a sanity test to even open the site, but no one cares about my opinion. If blizz endorses people to speak their mind, they will, regardless of how wrong/missinformed/toxic/special people are. What blizz does not endorse for sure is calling out people. Even if they deserve it. Unless they beg for it directly.

[Thimli-silvermoon]

@Deadduchess-silvermoon

Any forum or community, can turn into an echo chamber just because “someone will agree with me!”.

You cant deny an overwhelming negative feedback because of this though , its still an overwhelming feedback which means people arent happy

[Microbyte-scarshield-legion]

6k is not overwhelming. Now like 100k, then it would be something like it.

[Thimli-silvermoon]

@Microbyte-scarshield-legion

6k is not overwhelming. Now like 100k, then it would be something like it.

Ridiculous to ask for that considering not even that many people use the forums

[Deadduchess-silvermoon (Deadduchess)]

I can’t.

No, this is a fact - twist it, bop it, if you run the data most people in the forum are not happy.

I can’t deny the fact that there will be counter movement too.

[Thimli-silvermoon]

@Deadduchess-silvermoon

I can’t.

No, this is a fact - twist it, bop it, if you run the data most people in the forum are not happy.

I can’t deny the fact that there will be counter movement too.

His only point is basically “but 7.5k people is a minority so they dont matter” however he’s also not showing me that much positive feedback in regards to the new systems

[Microbyte-scarshield-legion]

And those whom is content tends to rarely post on the forums.

[Thimli-silvermoon]

@Microbyte-scarshield-legion

And those whom is content tends to rarely post on the forums.

So if I get what you pretend right , all the people agaisnt the systems are on the forums while the people who dont know about it/dont care are all in the game and never post on the forums , that’s a bit of an assumption to help your argument isnt it ?

But please do show me proof that people dont care/are ok with it , I will gladly apologise if you find me that , otherwise you’re just helping your own narrative by saying “the people that dont care or are ok with it arent on the forums so they must be of my opinion”

[Daestra-turalyon]

@Thimli-silvermoon

think it pretty much speaks for itself that this is a problem for a huge majority of players.

Its not though 8k players from 2 million is not a majority at all it simply is not .

[Азриил-deathguard (Азриил)]

@Thimli-silvermoon

Which is what I did , but that doesnt change the fact that if you dont do the content obviously you’re not going to care

I wouldn’t care if I’d do most solo. But I cannot knowingly put myself on disadvantage on group content if and when the difference is notable. Some would argue if it makes a difference if a tank has a extra damage reduction CD or not for example.

[Daestra-turalyon]

@Thimli-silvermoon

Ridiculous to ask for that considering not even that many people use the forums

See you admit not many visit the forums but claim they are the majority can you really not see how silly that sounds .

[Thimli-silvermoon]

@Азриил-deathguard

@Thimli-silvermoon

Which is what I did , but that doesnt change the fact that if you dont do the content obviously you’re not going to care

I wouldn’t care if I’d do most solo. But I cannot knowingly put myself on disadvantage on group content if and when the difference is notable. Some would argue if it makes a difference if a tank has a extra damage reduction CD or not for example.

I agree with you. It does matter which is why the feedback is so overwhelming in favor of fixing the new systems and not letting them release as it is at the moment

[Deadduchess-silvermoon (Deadduchess)]

Don’t tempt me to act like a DK.

I have nothing to prove and nothing to gain.

If you want my honest to god opinion - you are right to think and demand stuff, and i agree with you on a base level. I do not agree with the way with which you interact with your peers, as this is not our personal discord, but Blizz forums.

[Thimli-silvermoon]

@Deadduchess-silvermoon

Don’t tempt me to act like a DK.

I have nothing to prove and nothing to gain.

If you want my honest to god opinion - you are right to think and demand stuff, and i agree with you on a base level. I do not agree with the way with which you interact with your peers, as this is not our personal discord, but Blizz forums.

As long as its a civilised discussion I’m pretty sure it’s not a problem , I have also made several points in regard to the op and the fact that a huge majority is in favor of changes to the new systems , with proof to back that up , while the other side claiming that the people dont care/are ok with it do not , they basically just pretend that those people dont visit the forums so they dont give their opinion which is way too easy to assume

[Deadduchess-silvermoon (Deadduchess)]

Is this civil - yes in my book. But I am not a good person, so do disregard my opinion.

[Thimli-silvermoon]

@Deadduchess-silvermoon

Is this civil - yes in my book. But I am not a good person, so do disregard my opinion.

Honestly all I ask is for proof that there are a lot of people that are okay with the new systems or just dont care and then I’ll gladly apologise , until then a huge majority is in favor of changes to those systems and I have proof to back those numbers up while the other side do not , it’s just too easy to pretend “yeah but those people not posting on the forums have the same opinion as me”