are you seriously defending this with your weak gameplay? god if i wanted a joker i wouldve asked for it.
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starsurge hitting for 200damage is even worse than moonfire now lmao.
canât even swap it for another rune , thereâs isnt any playable rune for druid except eclipse/wildgrowth
p3 waiting room
Well case in point right there. Even a backpedaling Rogue who continues to attack a Hunter pet whilst being attacked by another player can do this apparently. So my point stands that it doesnât take a lot of skill to solo multiple players back to back as a Rogue because you literally have the ability to delete people in 3 seconds.
I mean your original argument was about being crit by Starfire for 1k+ so why is that relevant and a Rogue soloing 4 players without breaking a sweat with CDs not relevant???
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le druid uses root buff, casts rejuv if possible regrowts, and goes minding his own business.
just like I canât play rogue warrior style or paladin style, druids cannot expect to play as rogues or mages with frost novas and blinks or priests with fears and dots.
All classes require to accommodate some kind of play style. I cant leroy into 5 people to tank them, feral dudu can, he can shapeshift into travel form and run fast any time, rogue can use sprint with cooldown.
Some druids forget, that shapeshift removes movement-impairing effects and has no cooldown on it 
rogues require talent into improved sprint and still has 3min CD.
I will end this with this:
People tell me to use my toolbox as a rogue, same applies to:
- druids which has huge toolbox that requires hard skill to use, they are extremly versatile class in any spec, they are not best in any of it but they can do so much to support fights, in pvp and pve as well.
- hunters also huge toolbox, requires skill (except for melee hunters with raptor strike spam) and i can see that on my hunter friend who cant solo more than 2 mobs xD.
I admit, and said it before, I am casual player with little rogue experience and have lot to learn, but does others admit it when they complain about druids?
You literally missed the whole purpose of the thread and then came on with some drivel about how a Druid crit you for 1k Starfire so it must be okay. Like did you even read anything anyone else was talking about?
I donât need you to explain to me the basics of PvP. Itâs pointless anyway because PVP in SOD is in an absolute state so the normal rules donât apply when you have classes that can delete you with little to no counter play.
The main thing is that Druid received nerfs that were way over the top due to world PvP. The compensation for these nerfs massively reduced their damage in PVE pushing them to almost the bottom of the tier list. Blizzard lied on multiple occasions to justify the nerfs to cover their own incompetence and mistakes. There are multiple classes/specs that are just as bad if not worse than Boomie in wpvp pre nerf that still get to run around like gods because of class favouritism. Rogue is one of them and probably wonât be touched because it will effect them too much in PVE with them already struggling.
I get it you donât care itâs not your class so why should you. That doesnât give you the right to jump into a discussion that you literally have zero clue about and start banging on about how you got crit from a Starfire for 1k so it must be alright & then start defending how OP Rogue is in wpvp when theyâre in par with every other broken spec in the game. It just so happens the class I played got gutted and your class hasnât (yet).
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I have a druid as well, it also affects me. But I know that druid is a support class and not a top DPS class.
I mention rogue just because people always bring up how OP rogue is and needs to be nerfed, so ofc I mention my experience and my thoughts.
watch?v=Sc9BMpNA4Dg watch from 1:13 (arcane surge 2300) and 1:37 (arcane surge for 1300) (or full video, pretty fun narrator)
Since when âweâ demanded to be top dps? We were barely 5th on dps rankings and the nerf put us to 8th with the potential of being 9th or 10th since lackluster classes in pve like enhance, warr, feral is right behind us (not even sure about enhance after the last update since they got buffed).
The purpose of this thread was simply pointing out the hypocrisy and lies of the dev team.
''The intent is not to significantly nerf overall druid damage output, merely to reduce the efficiency of Starsurge specifically and shift the damage output of druids further towards their hard cast abilities such as Starfire. ââ
Nobody is asking for it to be a top DPS class. It never was or will be, even though it actually has 2 DPS orientated talent builds. It should also not be pigeon holed into solely being a useless support class that is basically inferior to all other classes. Why even bring a Druid at this stage. SOD was hyped up to be a version of the game where all classes and specs would be viable. They arenât and thereâs a significant gap between the top and bottom. Some classes get special treatment, some classes get gutted. Again it was claimed by the Devs that more changes to come. Better balance, small balance nerfs etc etc. where is this balance? Where is equality when certain classes get gutted, yet other get to go about their day without a care in the world.
SOD isnât classic and people really need to stop trying to compare it to what it used to be like 20 years ago. Arguments often get thrown about trying to make comparisons to classic and then people try to justify their own class being OP under a different set of rules i.e SOD rules. Itâs a constant cycle of contradiction.
Also if you want to apply the theory that they should be a support class because they can play multiple roles like in classic then you should also apply them to Rogue, Mage, Shammy, Lock since all of these classes now have the ability to either heal, DPS or tank. So a Rogue is a support class because it can tank, but still has insane PvP potential, a Mage can heal yet here weâre with mages critting 2.4k arcane surge. Again another contradiction.
Balance is fine. We had a newly dinged 40 balance in our raid and he was competing quite nicely on damage. Skill issue
Your life is a skill issue
U frustrated mate?
Not really I just like talking s**t on the forums whilst my sub runs out
I can respect that, not my problem though
wonder how moonkin will perform with dots buff , wish moonfire/sunfire would give eclipse stack so we donât have to run that garbage 200dmg dmg starsurge
In PvE its a decent buff, I would say around 5-10 % , would it reverse the damage we lost with nerfs/bug fixes? No it wouldnt but its still better than nothing. In pvp however they are literally useless since we dont stay in moonkin form at all, like its so rare maybe if u know a rogue is gonna open on you and whatnot so u just shapeshift into moonkin try to survive the stun lock and thats about it.
Its clear that blizzard is designing and changing the whole pvp meta with 5 man gank teams in their minds thanks to their useless, boring and utter garbanzo bloodmoon event. And this result in all the imbalance and drama we currently have all around. Up until this point it was always either bgs/mass scale pvp or 1v1s 1v2s 2v2s etc small scale pvp in mind and it worked alot better like that.
Boomkin currently is fine in 5man groups even their wild growth rune is a sole reason there should atleast be 1 druid/boomie in the party let alone their above avarage dmg if they can manage to cast which they can in a party environment thanks to heals and peels. Solo play and to some extent unorganized bgs however⌠thats a totally different story. Say whatever you want balance was always about 1v1s in peoples mind for the masses, thats basic human psychology if you get killed in a party you wont think x class is OP but if someone kills you in 1v1 especially with a high burst spell⌠now thats the root of everything going on nowadays in forums. Game shouldnt be balanced with a 5 man party pvp niche scenario in mind⌠but they are doing it just so they could justify/promote their horrible events.
To add on that, most of the best PvP WoW players are rating Moonkins as S tier in PvP - yet these forums cry babies are claiming moonkin is not viable in PvP.
That tells you the level of incompetence we have to deal with here on the forums. They are playing another game than SoD tbh.
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wildgrowth is S tier , the rest is garbage , donât be a lowiq fanboy.
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No moonkins are S tier, you are just garbanzo at this game and should not open your mouth about anything tbh.
If you think the only thing they bring is wildgrowth you just proven my point.
sur lowiq fanboy , go troll somwhere else.
Meanhwile best PvP players in the world are still rating Moonkins as S tier in PvP, you a nobody that has been crying for months here claiming they arent - l2p and stop waisting your time here.
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