You got any source???
Ok, you know what… you win.
That is a bit bigotry you ignore all of the comments that has been made by people that explain why its a good thing to have it in game because you believe its bad.
A summary of what has been said in favor of it.
- It will allow new or returning players to immediately join outland
- It will allow players to test a class
- it will reduce the need of RMT boosting
- it will allow people to start on a different server / faction and play with friends there
A summary of what has been said neutral of it:
- people will use it to create farm characters
- people will use it to create crafting characters
- its gives money to blizzard activision
A summary of what has been said in disfavor of it
- people can use it to jumpstart bots
- people who buy the boosts won’t necessarily know how to play their character
I don’t want the game to become like retail, in my opinion the game was good untill Ulduar patch, after it the game deteriorates. However i’m for a wow token because its proven that people prefer to buy from a legitimate source their gold, and thus that a portion (not all) of the gold sellers won’t be able to effectively afford to do so anymore. Classic is infested by botters, not because its easy to be a botter and make cash, but because there is a demand for buying gold and the company doesn’t supply it.
You cannot make this statement because there is no way to know how infested botting would be in retail without wow Token. I’m not saying a wow token is going to eliminate botters, just that its going to reduce botters by some amount.
Because they want to start on a different server or different faction or different class maybe?
- It will allow new or returning players to immediately join outland
- It will allow players to test a class
- it will reduce the need of RMT boosting
- it will allow people to start on a different server / faction and play with friends there
All of this is “Good for ME” the game will not be better because you can ‘try a different class on lvl 58’ but it will be worse for the people who can not afford boost and everything else that’s negative about the boost.
So it’s still not good for the game as a whole that you can start at 58 on a different (over populated) server.
Way to go ignoring the real reasons people are against boosts, and cherry picking only the most incidental reasons.
And as always, the best way to ‘test a class’, is actually level it. It’s extremely difficult to just shunt someone into the body of a class they’ve never played before, with all it’s functions useable, and expect to have a proper grasp of how, when and why to use those functions.
This is why the levelling process introduces class mechanics slowly, over time, allowing you to get used to the functionality, benefits and drawbacks of each before introduducing a new one - otherwise it would be information overload.
I shudder to imagine someonoe who has genuinely never tanked in their lives, being given an instant L58 warrior, bear or Pally and expecting to do a good job tanking Hellfire Ramparts. Sure they’ll learn with practice, but ‘throw 'em in at the deep end’ is a pretty poor way to learn.
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And what according to you are those real reasons?
But that is whats happening now anyways due to mage / paladin boosting, not introducing character boosts is not going to stop often worse, because those people are not going to stop getting boosted at 58.
Your giving a reason why its bad, without checking the current reality. Boosts already exist.
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It is Antithetical to Classic Wow… there you go. You do not even have to argue bots or anything else.
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Once again you’re arguing ‘two wrongs make a right’.
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Thats an easy phrase to toss around. And a dangerous at that, that sort of phrasing gave us spellbatching afterall, by far the worst thing that has come to Classic.
Vanilla and Classic are not the same.
TBC and Classic TBC are not the same.
The idea is to get a TBC experience, they’ve already ventured off the path of trying to recreate it as accurate as possible. With the current experience which include messed up economics and boosting there actually are a lot of arguments you must consider.
One final time I’m going to give you the benefit of the doubt and state the actual reasons, just in case you really are not an alt of one of the prolific pro-boost evangelists, and have genuinelly not read any of the dozens of other posts on the forums.
The main reason why we are against the boost is because we campaigned long and hard for a version of the older game that was taken away from us during the Cataclysm expansion. We asked for this game to be a snapshop of the game that existed in 2005-2007. One of the reasons we dislike the older game and dislike the modern game is the introduction of cash shop services that add convenience features, QOL and instant gratification to the game. We do not want any of that, which is why we campained for WoW Classic to be made.
By accepting one ‘QOL/convenience/instant gratification’ change from a cash shop, we send a message to Blizzard that we are OK with QOL/convenience/instant gratification’, which will amost certainly pave the way for more such cash shop features further down the line.
If you believe that Blizzard will stop at the L58 boost, draw the line under it, and never take it further then you are naive in the extreme. This is not the same Blizzard who originally made TBC, this is a subsidary of Activision, who have a known-history of doing this kind of thing. Retail is just one of many such examples. Retail began with only one cash shop service, in the form of a cosmetic mount. As the years went by and people became used to it, more were added; until the game is now stuffed with purchasable gold, instant level boosts and all the other garbage we hate.
This is why we are against the boost. The other reasons are tertiary.
Now you know why I tire of explaining this in countless threads. The explanation is long, complicated, and people who are fixated on only what THEY want, and their OWN gratification do not get it.
I know full well I’ve wasted ten minutes of my time typing all this out, and you’ll instantly and automatically dismiss everything I wrote; buy maybe someone else who hasn’t made their mind up will read it and be converted.
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TBC Classic and Classic is the same thing. Everyone can agree that spellbatching was not good at all but we learn but moving faster with a cash shop that includes boosts than even the original game is upsetting. Also you argument in the first one does not make that much sense tbh. There were a lot of changes ppl were fine with but boosting etc is beyond the pale.
Stop speaking for others, ask 10 people for an opinion and you have 10 different opinions.
Eg i’m not “fine” with people being able to level dranai / bloodelves during prepatch others are.
I’m fine with a character boost being present once per account others aren’t.
Different opinions. My reasons why i don’t mind the boost are simple.
- it reduces RMT boosting
- it opens up options for people that want to switch server or faction and allows people that didn’t play classic to catch up and play with friends.
I Agree with you on this. Myself i love the pre cata (or rather the pre ICC) game the most. However unlike you i’m not blaming QoL systems as a whole for the deterioration of the game. QoL in essence is good. But before hand its hard to see if a so called QoL service is an improvement or not.
QoL service like dungeon finder and LFR seemed good, and i definatly used them but they have been abused and deteriorated the game for me. However SERVICES like character transfers, race / faction changes and character boosts have never done that for me. For me there is no difference between a player that has leveled normally to 58 or that bought a boost to 58 if i play with them. If they play the game, enjoy the game and thus enrich my world by beeing there because that exists its a good thing in MY opinion.
The other spectrum of the QoL is the “link achievment and gearscore” get invited to party / raid or not, and if you are parsing slightly less then someone else you get replaced, due to easy access QoL systems that is something i will join in to fight against.
I’m not naive, in previous post i’ve already said, if Wotlk version is going to be out theres going to be a 68 boost, There is going to be a wow token at some point in the future as well i don’t like that there going to come to the game, but i understand why there coming to the game.
The #Somechanges, is not something you need / want to fight, its something you want to embrace and as a community say “we don’t want this in the game but we don’t mind that” If in a couple of years time we are playing a game that has multiple expansions running, but without automated dungeonfinding and lfr utilities, without integrated gearscores and other deprimental QoL systems, but with Wow Tokens, Faction, race change character boost and minimal botters, then i would be very happy
isn’t that a better thing to work for then to categorically deny everything?
?!??
Do Blizzard accept phoney money instead of real money?
That’s the whole point of boosting, it costs money!
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With same logic, you can not make this statement that it reduce by any amount. Thanks to tokens botters don’t need to pay monthly fee, becuase they can buy game time for botted gold. So wow token can increase bots ammount.
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Learn what RMT actually is its off platform real money trading. Meaning its facilitated by entities other then blizzard, wich according to the EULA is forbidden. If you are caught then both involved parties will get banned.
Similar to regular gold selling it often also includes heavy scamming.
Providing a service that allows you to buy this (even though limited) in a legal way is going to negatively impact RMT business (be it boosting or gold selling (or both)) while simultaneously opening up this service for those who actually adhere to the EULA.
Actually you can, studies have shown that it actually reduces goldsellers and bots in game. Why can you be certain? because they introduced wow tokens in retail and it impacted the goldsellers and botters then.
Botters don’t bot to make gold so they can continue to bot. Botting in itself is not a sustained activity they bot to make money by goldselling. Any means that lowers the income, while at the same time offers a legal service that forces them to lower their price is going to reduce those botters that can’t keep up with the new price. This has been proven, not only in world of warcraft itself but also countless other online games.
Is this satire? You are not being serious, right?
Are you on Zandalar Tribe? I believe I have seen the guild name in there.
Some opinions are most based than other, when reflecting on changes there is scope from good to bad. That is then when you look at the designers of the time and their reflection on it, which is not positive about adding more boosts and cash shop conveniences.
Secondly RMT will never be rooted out by this, wow tokens has not stopped bots in any meaningful way. Also RMT is a player created problem cause you are either to lazy, do not have time etc, lets face it there will always be scum in this world.
You have time now to catch up with friends to play and if they have an excuse not to play now they will have one in TBC as well.
Yes i am
i never claimed that wow tokens, and character boosts have stopped botting, i’m saying and this you can check with botting numbers that it has reduced them a bit. If you tallie all the botters in the different servers of Classic, and you talie the botters in retail, then you’ll find more botters in classic.
Partially this is due to gold being more needed in classic then in retail, but partially this is also because there is no legit way to get your gold if your lazy.
The amount of botters will be reduced because the amount of clientele is going to be lower. Its simple economics.
With faction, race server transfers, boosts and wow tokens the clientele that needs gold and makes use of RMT services will be further reduced.
You will never be able to remove all botters in the game, as well as you’ll never be able to abolish all crime. However with good policing and adequate counter options you will be able to get it to a managable level.
This is why i’m for paid services, because it will positively impact the amount of botters. Maybe not by a lot, or the desired amount, but any reduction is good.
Another thing is: Would you rather have that people pay Blizzard, or some shady botting / scamming company ?