Neither do i, im using forum terminology because this is what peole think its meta. Same as how using the optimal build is minmaxing for them.
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The question then becomes âand if it were, so what?â (I donât think it is either way).
Why is it bad to invest your all in something? Why is it bad to find that fun? Do we ridicule people who work hard at their jobs and try to do their best? Mock atheletes who train to push out everything whilst we sit on our couches going âI couldnât be bothered with thatâ
It is utterly bizarre that people who arenât interested in that (which is valid) find a strange need to take a problem with those who do. Gaming is enjoyment, and for some people, enjoyment comes from performance and feeling like youâve worked hard and excelled. Why people canât fathom this I donât know. Some people like playing football to relax having an informal kickabout with mates, others like to theorycraft about fantasy football leagues more akin to chess. None of them are wrong.
yet minmaxing is ânot funâ or âshouldnât be funâ. Okay fun police.
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Jealousy, resentment, and butthurt cuz someone was rejected due to doing 50% dps that they should and the boss wouldnât die, so OFC that big bad raid leader was filthy minmaxing elitist! They sooo bad! Caring about your character bad too, cuz if people didnât care they wouldnât be kicked. And simming, hoo boy, now thatâs it! Using tools to analyze how things work! Imagine that! Shocking and offending!
On unrelated note you guys keep pumping out posts faster than I can like them. I feel artificially restricted by timegating in amount of likes available per day to TL2. This BAD 
no shaman changes needed.
guess now it is just nerfs even though the class already dead.
Donât kick us when we are already down man
Its because they feel presured and are getting declined from groups. Fine i get that, i feel you but you do not get to join a football team if you cant run or wahtever im not a sports person. Also they have put it in theur heads that âwe are ruiningâ the RPG part of the game, no we are not Blizzard is. If a choice is giving me a 30% performance boost in one place but i lose in another that is not an RPG choice, demand more interesting quest, more cutomizations, your character actually impacting the story more outdoor FUN actitivity. Trainers were made pointless not because of mythic raiders but because Blizzard made it so, proffensions are a joke not because of Limit but because Blizzard made it so, Class pruning - all Blizzard, Covenants will not be your be all and save all solution, once the system is live you will see that for yourself and actually start listening to what we are saying, we are going to see a reapeat of Azerite and Corruptions where the people that are defending this system will turn against it, this will again happen with the next system and next one after that, wake up and start seeing it objectively. Blizzard are always designing systems that will work on papper but in execution it fails flat on its face, it has happened every single time, covenants are no different, and I am sorry for those that fail to see this, borrowed power and restrictions is not the way to go, balance is and by introducing systems on top of systems it further moves us away from said balance.
This is another thing Blizzard made, by mackng the systems and gear so convoluted it enforces SIMs, i for one hate yet i have to do it in order to decide what is good and what is bad, there is a big possibility that your new drop that is higher ilvl will actually decrease your trough put, how does that make sence.
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Dat is right, more especially when players didnât asked for in the first place. Why would we ?
And in Shadowlands they are reverting class pruning and are trying to make professions more relevant. Itâs again a case of : We, players, didnât asked for those changes, yet they were made, we then complained only to see now that itâs reverted. So mein question would be : Why have they done that in the first place ?
Borrowed power is not a bad idea if baselines classes/specs were not broken in the first place. Having borrowed power also implies they would not fix baseline class/spec and are instead wasting precious time and human ressources into those messy systems.
I would say that some systems could be good, like legendaries, but only if said systems are just about cosmetic stuff or flavour, not actual mecanical changes.
Well, because of those layers of systems, stats weight is really messy.
Letâs say I run a sim that tells me I should equip more haste. Once I loot an item with haste, I do equip that and run another sim, the result is likely to shift towards another stat to target.
By the way, with layers upon layers of systems in BFA, even a premium subscibtion for raidbots is not enough to sim everything correctly, which leads to simming mistakes.
And on the same time, Ion is moking those who are using sims, butâŚwe must rely on those complicated sims to dertermine if a single piece of gear is a damn upgradeâŚ
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I agree with this, however we need to clarify wich borroed power and the extend of it. Tier sets were borrowed power and we liked them, however they gave slight to meduim advantage, with the new systems we are seeing how 90% of our power comes outside of our character. Dont get me wrong there are some fun systems, well one-the legion artefact weapons but even they needed some fixes.
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Some Legiondaries were so powerful that they really should be baked into baseline specs. Like rings that grant you additional talent for free so you now have 2 overpowered talents. Put the effect into Artifacts maybe, they granted all sorts of passive boosts anyway.
This points at failure of base system, in this case class/spec - major buff is required to make it work properly. So what happens when this buff is taken away and the flaw is not repaired? BFA, thatâs what. And then there they go againâŚ
You know whatâs really ironic to me? I still have old (Wrath) sim Rawr, and despite more secondary stats, buffs, talents itâs FAR simpler & faster than something like Simcraft. Because more effects, but not stacked one on top of another. Everything is there, visible, no scaling, no procs on procs, no RNG that requires scientific notation to get it right.
See above. Frickin complexity addicts⌠Did their mommies tell them their drawings arenât intricate enough to put on fridge?
And heâs the butt of jokes everywhere for his lameplay and using low rank essences. If heâs using correct ones at all. Might be just my suspicious nature, but I think he wouldnât get invited to heroic Nyalotha if he wasnât a corporate bigwig. These grey parses, man, GREY parses! People better than him are warming benches in raid groups! And heâs playing A+ tier raid healerâŚ
T9/10 would like a word with you 
Some set bonuses were really broken in the OP way. Usually on purpose to ensure people will use them, but you know somethingâs VERY wrong when you fight Lich King, the last boss of t10 and instead of, yâknow, t10 people keep wearing t9 because it sims better⌠
Tier sets in general didnât work very much like borrowed power though. They werenât instantly becoming useless the moment something new came through. They might have a niche use - Iâve mentioned t9, for Unholy DKs 4p bonus was just sick in AoE encounters, beating t10 hands down. Set bonuses usually began at 2 pieces, so you would have some flexibility in what items to use, which slots to replace and which to leave alone for now until you get âsystemicâ upgrade. And when you were upgrading tier to tier+1, it was (usually) well worth it, being upgrade, not exact same thing in different package.
âŚBecause they were pretty much old talent trees in ladder form that you will eventually complete instead of around 15 pts in tier, pick 5 to unlock next tier. All these little passives would add up, giving us players real mechanical power AND bringing fun of having well-working character. Yet it wasnât broken too much, because everyone would have their own artifact, loaded with such passive boosts, so no crazy imbalance despite everyone being supercharged⌠maybe except DHs but it was their 5 minutes to shine as new hero class.
More like base kits needed some fixes that Artifacts didnât smooth over. Then there was the way ActiBlizz went about it: applying nerf chainsaw liberally wherever fun was found, no matter that all that was needed was a scalpel, so not only Artifacts were taken away but we got some extra deep wounds that werenât there before.
I was talking about the way they restricted you from respecing, but yes overall i agree the base kit was lacking and the weapons actually completed your class.
I do like tier sets that spice up rotation, not the ones that fix rotation. And we had a lot of themâŚ
But it was good because we knew that weâre having slight changes at each raid tier.
Which in terms or RP feels bad.
The issue is that BFA systems donât make up to their legion counterparts.
They ended up baselining some legiondaries or making them talentsâŚSo yeah, they messed up.
They really need to fix classes, somehow.
I know, I know⌠XD
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âhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cd4kT9Ag8Mo&t=3s&ab_channel=PreachGamingâ
This is more of a âwhy SL is delayedâ video but it does touch on why we need a ripcord. And i would advice all the pro-covenant people to really let this sinc in.
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Letâs hope they use that extra time to really fix things. Expect the worst though. If itâs so bad theyâre not pushing it through anyway it has to be VERY bad.
Or maybe someone finally grew a spine in the corp. Either way, itâs win for us players. Only kinda bad for those who hate BFA so much they canât wait for it to be over, but come on, there are other things to do with your time.
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This. That things are apparently so bad that they are willing to lose tons of money from the delay because they think that if they release, it will be even worse - this is quite terrible. I mean, yeah, they are probably right to delay, but it is quite worrying that things are so terrible that they have to.
My hopes for SL went down. I mean, if things are this terrible, how good can we expect the patches to be? Itâs not good.
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