Can Garrosh kill Thrall at the end of Shadowlands?

Narrative, mostly. Nobody forgets a big important death, nobody remembers a lesser one… Sad but true. Everyone remembers Obi-Wan dying against Darth Vader, everyone remember’s Boromir’s deaths. Did we care about the Bothans who made Star Wars possible until Rogue One was released? Did we care about the Hobbits who died when Sharkey came to the Shire?

Narrative. Is all…

Why ya gotta spoil all da fun, mon?

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  • Each participant is allowed one weapon.
    • A blessing of this weapon by a shaman of their choosing is permitted, but not required.
  • Once a weapon was dropped, the rules clearly stated that it could not be retrieved by either party.
  • Each participant must have at least one witness.

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Thrall used his shaman abilities therefore he cheated. Only 1 weapon allowed he used both lightning and that giant earthen fist that rushed Garrosh.

OK, I feel a bit of a jerk for laying that trap, because I knew that is what you would answer, so rather than just saying you are not correct, I’ll explain why.

The main rule of a Mak’gora is that the -Challenger- chooses the terms, but has to choose terms that both parties can meet, otherwise it is an invalid Mak’gora and can be refused with no loss of honour, an example of this would be say, a Mage Calling Mak’gora against a Warrior and saying “The weapons permitted are Arcane Magic only” The Warrior could honourably refuse, and the Mage would be the one who would lose honour for trying to ‘rig’ the fight. (Interestingly this is different from our real world duels where it was the -Challenged- party who chose between pistols or swords, not the -Challenger-)

What you describe there is the Traditional way the -Tauren- fight duels, which Cairne chooses as the Challenger.

If you look up ‘Mak’gora’ on Wowpedia it lists the Lore Mak’gora that have been fought, with canon sources, who fought them, and what the rules were. In some cases, like Shagara vs Ashra it was one weapon was allowed, no body armour, but clothing was allowed, and it was to the death, both parties could use magic (and they sure did!)

Sometimes a Mak’gora is issued and no rules are specified, which is pretty much an ‘Anything goes’ scenario. Examples of that type of Mak’gora are the First and Second Mak’gara between Thrall and Garrosh, Saurfang vs Malfurion, and Saurfang vs Sylvanas.

Magic is not forbidden.

Check out ‘Mak’gora’ on Wowpedia (Its more reliable than Wowwiki because it provides Blizzard sources) and you will see what I mean.
It even states there that people -mistakenly- think that Thrall cheated in the Second Mak’gora, whereas he didn’t, it was the same rules as for his and Garrosh’s First Mak’gora, but nobody seemed to complain then, possibly because Garrosh was winning, until the Scourge turned up and disrupted it.

Interestingly you can recall your challenge without any honour being lost, Such as when Ga’nar challenges Durotan in WoD, is talked out of it, and withdraws his challenge.

You can choose to spare your opponent, but this is seen as dishonourable to the person spared, an example of this is Hans’gar and Franzok who were unwilling to kill each other, and so both were exiled.

This only seems to apply to Orcs, (and some Ogres) as the Orcs realise that the traditional punishment for infractions in Orcish society simply have no effect on other races, as they do not belong to a Clan to be exiled from.

For example when Ashra Valandril (a Blood Elf) challenges Shagara (an Orc), Ashra does not even know how a Mak’gora works, nor does he particularly care, he was just challenging her fitness to lead. Both go at it hammer and tongs, with blades and magic, and Shagara narrowly wins, but even though the terms were ‘To the death’ she spares him, because heck, he had just shown he was one hell of a fighter. She loses no honour, because he is not an Orc and bound by the clan system, and He can’t be exiled from a Clan for being spared, because he is a Blood Elf, and they simply don’t have that culture.

Seriously, check it out, ‘Mak’gora’ on Wowpedia, it lists all the Mak’gora fought in lore, and is actually pretty interesting as a lore source :slight_smile:

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Garrosh got possed by ancient evil promising power becoming a pawn in some else’s plan. Just like his father, except he never redeemed himself. Through and through pathetic loser. They had something going in wod but turned him baddie anyway and dumped him out in some quest on the side.

As an alliance player I have to admit Garrosh was the best Warchief y’all ever had.
Before Y’shaarj at least

Garrosh is way more badass imo. A Garrosh redeemed of his arrogance and racism would be an amazing addition to the Horde. Can’t think of a better orc leader.

Thrall had his glory days, I struggle to take him seriously now. He’s an old orc that is way more concerned with his own stuff than the Horde. He needs to retire for good.

And I’m saying that as a player who grew up with Thrall as Warchief. It’s time for us to get a proper orc back in the game and I can’t think of anyone better than Garrosh.

Garrosh kills Thrall right in front of Draka.
That would be cool.

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Garrosh is dead. He’s not coming back. The best he can get is a redemption, and even that is unlikely with how prideful he is. He’s probably the most prideful person that ever entered Revendreth, and that’s quite an achievement.

Only if Draka kills him super easily afterwards and absorbs his anima.

Then, Here comes Grommash and kills Draka

Grommash didn’t end up in Maldraxxus, so Draka is most likely ten times the warrior he is.

I’m hoping he will come back, the Horde ranks are running thin and we need some of our leaders back.

Garrosh coming back would be the best thing happening this expansion.

And anyone can be redeemed in Revendreth, if our Blizzlords say so, even Garrosh. Vampires have their methods to cleanse a soul and Garrosh is totally redeemable, he had a lot of qualities. I don’t think he was inherently bad, he was just misguided.

Souls can’t come back from the Shadowlands. They can, like, show up for a bit but they cannot permanently return to life.

Same reason that, as much as I would love to play a Night Fae as an allied race, lore-wise, it’s just not gonna happen.

He can’t come back to lead the Horde.

Again, he’s dead. Dead can’t come back, nor should they. I’d love to get Draka and Uther back as well, but I know that won’t be happening, nor should it happen. Let dead characters stay dead and come up with new characters. They should stop recycling the old characters.

As for Thrall, as much as it pains me to admit it, you’re right. He should retire for good. He’s a shadow of his WC3 self, and it sucks. He was my fav Warcraft character along with Cairne and Malfurion.

Yeah, but not after a year or two. And I can’t see Garrosh, a soul hats been fueling the entire Revendreth for a while on his own, being redeemed in a short time.

Wasn’t Garrosh datamined in Denathrius mythic encounter?
It’s possible that he may come back

Even if he still redeemed, he’s not coming back to Azeroth. He. Is. Dead.

They shouldn’t cheapen death even more just because people want a character back. Like I said, I want Uther back, but I know that it shouldn’t happen.

Didn’t say anything about returning him to Azeroth tho.

Logistically, there is a chance Uther could return. There’s still half of his soul somewhere on Azeroth, isn’t there? If the half of his soul in the Shadowlands somehow re-merged with that half, technically he could return.

But I agree with you. Let the dead stay dead. The world of warcraft is evolving, the cosmos expanding and seeing that through the eyes of the same cast all the time isn’t interesting.

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I really don’t see what role he could play. Redeeming himself by helping us take down Sylvanas?

Yeah, but that part still isn’t alive though. It’s resting inside his own tomb.

At the rate they’re killing Horde leaders, I don’t even care if we bring back dead people.

Blizzard can’t create new characters and make good use of them it seems.

Look at Nathanos, all that spotlight and development gone to waste. It will take years before we have half developed Horde characters that can take the lead.