Sure, there are extreme people in this. There are always valid excuses, its the people who are “its just a game lol, get over it as I drive away on my motorcycle with my hot girlfriend in tow” that are the issue here.
You think they are going to keep a log of who left what M+ because you reported it? I’m not sure I believe that.
I think you’ll just get a generic reply and that’s it.
As I quoted earlier they do not believe that leaving M+ is punishable. Ion himself said it.
I never said all people that have to leave in the middle of a M+ are trolls. I said it’s become such a common occurrance that it’s no longer a matter of valid emergencies, but a way for people to abuse the system and inconvenience others because there are no repercussions in many cases.
And for the record, I have a child on the way. Once it’s due I fully expect that there will be moments where I can’t commit to the game because I’ll have to tend to my child, so in that way I can sympathize, but then again I never explicitly stated there shouldn’t be any moments in which real life takes precedent over WoW.
I think they keep logs independently of a report being filed. Why would they not? They need the information to investigate reports, not to mention to run their own statistics and analysis.
Even just keeping the chat logs would allow them to easily check when the M+ started and when the player left, and they definitely keep chat logs around.
No, at least in the part you quoted, Ion didn’t say it’s not punishable: he said it’s hard to punish somebody leaving a M+ midway because there can be plenty of reasons for that to happen.
But if somebody leaves a M+ right after it started, he cannot even claim he tried. If he does that repeatedly, it gets difficult to claim that every time there was some sort of emergency suddenly happening right after the key got activated…
Basically, I do agree that in general there is no ground to punish M+ leavers, but this doesn’t mean egregious offenders cannot be punished, and only Blizzard can decide whether that’s the case based on received reports eventually triggering an investigation.
That’s an overall code of conduct from Blizzard covering all games. Let’s look at the examples they give to the poor player attitude and evaluate it against M+ in WoW.
Griefing would be the only one you could report but there would have to be a history of the said player doing stuff to others to prove that it was Griefing that occured, one simple act of someone removing themselves from an M+ group is not Griefing despite how annoying it is for the others.
Throwing is aimed at team vs team play, the act of throwing is purposely doing stuff to lose the match so that the other team wins. This would include Arena and BGs in WoW as well as other games from Blizzard that are based on team vs team gameplay like Overwatch and Heroes of the Storm. The only current M+ we have as a team vs team is the MDI which an extreme minority get into.
Feeding is not too dissimilar to throwing but it involves practically handing yourself over to the other team for free kills/points etc and may not cause a loss on their side depending on how severe it is.
Clarity is important when you’re reporting other players, being annoyed because someone left 1 M+ isn’t enough for reporting unless you have something more than this to add to the report like griefing. Also, the reporting feature could be abused by groups who decide they don’t like single players they invite to their groups which then wastes more time for those who have to look at the reports at Blizzard.
One last thing, just because someone leaves a group after it started, it does not mean that the reason was an intent to be malicious to the other players in the group, if you don’t know the reason then you know nothing and that makes these reports useless. It’s best to just suck it up and move on, that’s what i’ve done with failed groups.
Exactly my point and exactly why reporting can be worthwhile.
You might not be able to figure out the reason, but that’s because you don’t have the big picture. It happened only once? Very unlikely to be able to say it’s malicious. It happened dozens of times? Now that’s a pattern…
That’s why the report might be useless to you, but it doesn’t mean it’s useless to Blizzard. You cannot reconstruct the big picture, but Blizzard definitely can.
They only way a player is going to determine if another person repeatedly leaves M+ groups is if they’re stupid enough to keep inviting the person. No player in their right mind would keep inviting people they have encountered this with into their groups.
Are you missing the second part of what I wrote?
That’s irrelevant to the point I just made in my last reply.
I can pick and choose any part of your post to reply to if i choose to, whether that be the whole post or a single word. Good luck trying to dictate what other forum users must reply to.
To actually answer that point though, the picture you see is not the picture that everyone sees as we all think differently, that doesn’t mean that they (or I as you made the point at me) are trying to reconstruct the big picture. In fact, people like you asking for these punishments are those who are trying to reconstruct “the big picture” with this addition.
*Using your own logic now, are you missing my whole post?
I’m also aware I started with “they” rather than “the” at the start but I can’t be bothered to change it. Maybe I didn’t see the bigger picture by accidently using the wrong word. 
The point you made is that players won’t/can’t get the big picture. My point is that I agree, and that it’s irrelevant.
You quote the part where I agree, and ignore the part where I explain why it’s irrelevant… which is a pretty useless thing to do IMHO, but if that’s what you want to do…
- As explained already, the picture we players see is irrelevant.
- Blizzard might or might not be investigating the issue. You don’t know, so you also don’t know whether reporting is useless or not.
- I never asked for any punishment, what I stated is that IMHO Blizzard could punish a leaver if they recognise a pattern clearly pointing to an intent to grief other players.
No, at this point I think you are not willing to see the big picture by sheer stubbornness.
If you look at this thread again you will see that you were the one that started mentioning “the big picture” to start with as a way to phrase your points. Whether you agree on a point I made or not, you clearly have injected your own view on it which isn’t my view. Point 1 to the third quote in this reply will clear up the rest.
I will place this in bold for you, you may understand it this time.
Anyone can reply to anything in any post whether it is a whole post or a single word. You do not determine what they have to reply to.
- Thats your opinion. I stated that players will see different pictures because of different mindsets, that doesn’t mean that they can’t see the big picture. You completely wrote off the player-base by saying that they can’t see the big picture. There is a difference in what we both said with regards to this.
- I merely stated that reporting this is useless and a its not worth Blizzards time. If you lead an M+ group (i.e. its your key) it’s up to you to find the players to fill the roles you need to complete the dungeon, by doing this you run the risk of any consequences of running keys with people you don’t know. You used the Code of conduct with very little context or examples to support yourself in an attempt to shut down my opinion, and now dislike that I still have an opinion.
- If you have an opinion that states that a punishment could be introduced, you are advocating for that side of the argument, neither you or Blizzard know whether it is an intent to grief other players unless there has either been more said or more actions made by the leaving player that would suggest this is the case. This is not a difficult concept to grasp.
No, at this point I was mocking myself for using the wrong word and mocking you for your “bigger picture” comments at the same time whilst pointing out your hypocrisy about ignoring information in posts when you complained that I did so to yours.
See the bolded part of this reply once again please.
I would suggest the following type of punishment (this scenario would be within a week):
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Leave one mythic: 30 minute deserter buff
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Leave second mythic: 60 minute deserter buff
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Leave third mythic: 90 minute deserter buff and a warning that if you leave one more mythic you will not be allowed to complete any additional mythics until after the weekly reset.
Anything past leaving 3 mythics would result in a person not being able to do any more mythics that week, until after reset.
While it may make some people upset as they will claim shoddy internet or electricity problems, it would deter such behavior.
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Russians do tend to leave fast, it’s not incidental, just like when you join a key with French people, you know it will be a failure (but they don’t leave 
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They can investigate things as necessary and yes they can go into the logs of the game but they aren’t going to act on reports of people leaving M+ because it’s not an offence.
I know many would like it to be but it isn’t and as I have stated before even Ion has stated they are not going to punish people for leaving M+. I don’t know how senior a person you require for it to be confirmed that leaving M+ isn’t reportable.
You have spun a whole lot of your own interpretation on what was said. There is no punishment system for any PuG content. It doesn’t matter if the player tried or not, you have decided on your own entire judgement system with leavers. It simply does not exist in the game.
I understand the frustration with leavers but claiming they are doing something reportable is just false. All you are doing is clogging up a ticketing system for players with genuine issues with the game that require assistance.
No, Ion never stated leaving M+ is not reportable, at least not in the citation you provided. He stated it’s hard to punish people for that, which is much different to say they never would no matter the circumstances.
I agree a system doesn’t exist and I don’t advocate for introducing one. This still doesn’t mean there cannot be punishment decided on a case-by-case basis depending on the circumstances.
I basically always join other people’s keys so a leaver is not much of a problem for me, not to mention that I very rarely had leavers in my runs unless the run was clearly going very bad. So at least from me, no frustration.
If the ticketing system gets to the point of being “clogged” by these kinds of reports it must mean there are quite a large amount of them. If there are quite a large amount of them, it’s a clear sign for Blizzard there is an issue which needs to be addressed somehow.
I believe there is no such large amount of reports since I believe the problem to be actually very limited.
The article states that Support is not going to upgrade, restore, or create keystones. It doesn’t state anything about Blizzard’s stance on reports.
We aren’t going to see eye to eye on this. It is not a reportable offense to leave a mythic plus. No more than it is reportable to leave any PuG content. The deserter system only applies to the automated queue system but that is different and you can’t even vote people off PuGs, it’s down to the leader to act.
It is interesting that not a single addon maker is interested in dealing with the leavers issue. Probably because it’s just opening a can of worms and will get the most enormous amount of hate.
There aren’t reports clogging up the system because most people realise it’s not a reportable offense. So they don’t file a ticket.
Someone encouraged people to file tickets, I said please don’t because it’s not something GM can do anything about. All it does is clog up the system. I don’t like misinformation.
It lists someone left my key as one of the problems. The response is GMs aren’t going to do anything. They tell you to run it again. You find someone else and you run it again.
I’m fine with that: I’ll stand by my opinion as you stand by yours.
blizzard should just add a thing on the armory:
number of key joined
number of key completed
number of key leaved (only count the leaves while the key is still in time)
with this kind of sistem leavers can be easly spotted.
is not perfect can happen that u get dc and get a leaver score, but on the long time this kind of system will be enough to punish who have a bad behavior.
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I love how some people think it should be a bannable offense for someone to decide they don’t want to play with you and walk away.
My dudes - grow up and build better groups. Stop PuG’ging if you don’t like the problems that come with it.
This one is particularly tricky. Once one person goes, the group is forfeit. When I was trying to get my +15 Shrine achievement (last season) I must have joined half a dozen groups in one day only for them to fall apart on the trash before the first boss or after/during the first boss.
I would have been recorded as a leaver for every run even though it’s someone else logging out, leaving etc.