Its muddy legal waters, but European governments recently have been disturbingly all to happy to threaten and cajole big internet based organizations like social media to do what they want under threats to block them in their countries. Its not that far of a stretch to banning MMO’s over legal issues involving the wording of the law when it comes down to things like this.
A full chargeback?
Including, but not limited to, sub+expansion payed for?
This is also true.
Do not assume Blizzard is in the clear because “UHH DUHH JUST READ THE EULA”.
I agree with Blizzard’s stance, don’t get me wrong. I don’t want cheaters and model editors and whatnot in an online persistant world video game.
But that doesn’t mean you can just say “EULA LOL”. It really doesn’t work like that.
Nah, the case has to be started within 14 days of receiving the product, or when the product was supposed to be received. Further, it’s pretty obvious the subscription is a service once you get a lot further into the deal, so nope. 
Expansions are a gray area. I don’t actually know. But unless you’ve bought an expansion within the last 14 days, you can just forget about it.
The practice of pre-ordering is an intersting conundrum though. I actually don’t know what, if anything, the law says about that.
Yea, i know the 14-day right very well.
I was thinking more of the “losing acces to the product” thing.
So murdering a person and petty theft deserve similar punishment?
And I full well trust blizzard, the same ban happy company that will happily ban an entire guild over the actions of one of its members or a single raid group. must have found something convincing in the data to warrant them unbanning people.
Maybe, MAYBE, you could get away with getting World of Warcraft, that is the base game, refunded. But do you really wanna drag yourself through court over something this small, and in the process risk the entire future of WoW? Honestly that’d be really petty.
Besides, nowadays you sign up for WoW and receive one month free with the purchase of the base game, which costs the same as a month of subscription roughly. There really isn’t much of a case anymore. WoW is a service.
Expansions? No idea. Interesting conundrum for sure.
Tbh I think it more lack of evidence.
Oh no, I’m not interested in that. I was more wondering if it was acutally possible, as that would definitely strengthen the possibility of wow eventually being banned in EU.
What are you on about?
Seriously, only thing I have brought up is the fact that people are complaining ridiculously here when they have obviously broken rules. Sure, bots and hacks need harsher punishments, but I’m here only talking about whether there was punishment or not. I dont care what blizz decides punishments to be. I care what conditions there was to get to the punishment.
That is to say, they bypass blizzards systems that are there to prevent hacks and bots. That was already rules broken. What kind of punishments blizzard gives isnt what I’m talking about.
They broke the rules. Thats what matters to me as far as this argument goes. What blizzard gives as punishments is another thing that I’m not going into since my point here is just to say that they deserve punishment. What it is, is irrelevant.
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I would be a lot more worried about where Games as a Service is going to take the industry. World of Warcraft is a game as a service. But unlike most companies who do games as a service, Blizzard aren’t complete jerks about it. But they could get caught in the crossfire.
Go on YouTube and watch the following video: tUAX0gnZ3Nw
He explains it pretty well.
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First 3 minutes already sounds very interesting. And very bad for Blizzard.
-(Update: 10 mins in) Thanks for the link, I’ll look at the sources critically, but I’ll watch it for sure!
If it was lack of evidence on Blizzard’s part I don’t think they would have banned people in the first place. What I think has happened is Blizz found out about the loophole, panicked and let the banbot loose one anyone using an addon that exploited it, then when things calmed down and started to look into it they probably realized that among the botters hackers and cheaters were players who whilst having an addon that broke ToS wasn’t giving them any advantage and considering how there pr is somewhere between ‘in the gutter’ and’ Bethesda’ they removed the bans on the people they can confirm were not actively cheating and bottling or siphoning data to hack accounts.
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We are not talking about addons here, there are no question that these people have hacked. They bypassed hacking/cheating security, no matter what they did with it.
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the Gist of it from what i understand is there was a loophole in wow that allowed editing of base game files by addons or something similar and it was used for various things including cheating and harmless texture modding(that as far as I have read into it was client side only. So others couldn’t see things like naked textures.)
Irregardless editing textures and cheating are very different things. One is entirely local side and only cosmetically changes the game and the other negatively effects players. There can be nuance in how bad a rule infraction is.
Please don’t confuse injectors with add ons. I find your opinions interesting to read, but this missconception really hurts my brain.
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Sorry if there was any inaccuracy but as far as I’ve read up on it I’ve seen the texture modding being refereed to as an addon. Also as far as injectors go, I didnt even know cheat engine and similar programs could effect WoW…
It’s absolutely astounding to me that after Blizzard decided on a direction and unbanned people who only used texture mods (I’m sure they can tell which areas were meddled with) there are still people coming to this thread to try and get them re-punished and moan about these “filthy hackers” getting away with a one day ban (cause that’s technically what it ended up being).
Like honestly, if you take a look, all those people who were banned stopped replying after getting unbanned and went on enjoying the game. Whereas you come here nagging on other players’ and Blizzard’s ear about how this is unfair to you, the oh so righteous player who never does anything wrong in their life.
A little introspection would be very useful for many who came here just to do so. Especially since none of you gave examples what you think would be correct punishment and what wouldn’t and why, you just came here to rant about the kind of players these people are, making assumptions left and right and over dramatizing the advantages these could potentially offer even if used in that way. Like big mining nodes and herbs? Not like those are shown on the minimap anyway… Same with big flags in bgs, not like flag carriers are shown anyway. Like is it so important to try and harm other people’s enjoyment that you go out of your way to make up excuses to ban them? Haven’t we lost enough players in BfA already?
Can’t we just let each other play this game in peace without making mountains out of every molehill we find?
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Okay, I find it suiting with a perma-ban for bypassing a games security system. Like any other games, that has this kind of security. Even at the cost of fewer players.
No, you can say every argument you want. The ToS is the ToS. You don’t agree with it ? You don’t play the game. Not more and not less.
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THIS SO MUCH.
There is a world of difference between locally modding texture files and cheating. Yes they both Break the TOS but one is purely a cosmetic change local to a computer and the other is an active detriment to the game.
There is nuance in whats been done here to equate texture modding to cheating is like equating petty crimes to murder.
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