Ah yes, he’s named “IllidanSlayerXX” clearly he must be living in the UK…
I have not been condescending or rude. However, you have clearly made up your mind no matter how many people explain it and even highlight information from the GDPR site (that even you yourself have quoted).
Your character info is not personal data, any more that strawberries are not melons. You are making a connection that simply does not exist. Our game names are not personal data.
“Roughly” is generous, frankly speaking, and I don’t think is more meaningfully informative on its own than this character name is. Hell, with the amount of logs that used to be on this character through no choice of my own I think you could make more useful inferences.
Thankfully, Warcraft Logs has an opt out, even if I think Warcraft Logs leaves a lot to be desired in terms of privacy and consent.
Your IP is primarily personal information because it is identifiable as you in other independent systems. If someone finds your IP address they can ultimately plausibly search for you in an IT system they have, and find information that is directly and personally associated with you.
Your character name is hardly all that different ultimately imo, since it’s intrinsically connected to both usernames, personal emails, as well as all your account data. Much of it is limited to Battle.net itself, but others include WoWhead, raider io, etc, who may be independently storing data you’ve given them, with varying degrees of privacy.
This is laughable.
Its not personal information, i love the way people like you can so fundamentally misunderstand something in your rush to jump to conclusions.
This can’t be real?
all the info is being put up upon a window for OP but just isnt letting nature takes its course
While i agree that combat logs must not be public (theres no reason to share them outside your guild or personal use), blizzard addon policy is very strict and clear.
On top of that, changes in logging will potentially break hundreds or even thousands of addons including stuff like dbm.
Also such changes require some work, and thats the reason why api changes are almost never.
As i remember, you can upload your logs for peraonal use, or its not the case anymore?
Concerning consent: when you join a guild or a pug - you agree to be logged and probably getting your logs to public, unless something else is considered
I’m not asking for combat logging in and of itself to be changed, just that there is a clearer consent policy relating to how that is collected, processed and used by third parties (i.e. addons) - especially when it’s dealing with characters the addon doesn’t actually concern.
I’m also ultimately hoping addon makers will think it more reasonable to collect the minimum amount of information required to function, rather than today’s rather laissez-faire approach of just taking everything - hell, even just logs of random people beating target dummies lol. That stuff don’t matter to you if you’re just trying to log your own performance.
The whole point of warcraftlogs is to be able to link them to your character. You are free to opt out.
Side opinion: Complaints like this is why they took away our ability to see peoples mog the easy way(removing “View Profile” from the avatar because of armory shaming)
The current design of Warcraft Logs is that it collect everyone’s data indiscriminately. If you don’t want to collect other players’ data you have no options to preemptively avoid this with the addon.
A better approach would be to collect only the minimum logs required. This would from the outset remove the need for players to go on the website to opt out at all.
You opt out on the site. That is on you. People who want to hide every bit of data about their characters can, you can use the Blizzard settings in your account as I highlighted earlier and in addition the various sites have their opt outs.
The data is not personal but you still have the option not to share. Even entire guilds choose not to share their logs because they don’t want people poaching their players or stealing their tactics.
I don’t think it should be this way, and it doesn’t have to be this way. Disregarding who is right on what’s personal data or not, because ultimately we can argue that till the cows come home and only spin in place, these changes to addons and how consent is approached is imo just a straight up material improvement for everyone concerned.
Opt out is always the best approach when it’s not personal data IMO.
The majority find it useful to use the various third party sites.
The majority may find the sites useful, but I don’t think that’s a particularly strong reason for you to arrive on these sites and find all your logs are already there without you asking. ![]()
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This feels unreal
I don’t think there is even a weak argument to force people to have to opt in pixel data sharing.
It works well as it is. Every player can opt out should they wish to go full hidden mode. That is a personal choice.
In other words: “I refuse to admit that I’ve been wrong about the entire premise of my post from the start, so I’ll just ignore that fact and continue arguing my point anyway”.
While I don’t consider those logs being personal data in any possible way, I still think that opt in is always more honorable than opt out.
No, I just think it’s obviously unproductive to argue with you on about it.
It’s clear to me this community doesn’t care about personal data, and is aggressively indifferent about it. I generally think it’s fine for you to not care about your own data, but I honestly find it shameful how indifferent you are to others’ desire to not share theirs.
But spinning in place on that is moot, because I can ultimately advocate for material improvements all the same. In the first place logging everyone in the raid is excessive from the start, the absolute majority of players never care for others’ data - as I think y’all have made clear as is - so why are you collecting it at all?
It’s not a functional requirement for Warcraft Logs. It’s just a design decision to collect it all.