I’m not making things up about you.
I was stating a fact about the game.
But as I said earlier: The ‘absence of certain themes’ is just as much agenda driven as ‘having those themes’ in the game.
What fact? You do not care about facts. All you care about is hiding behind subjectivity. You are not interested in standards, quality, or technical merit. You are only interested in twisting whatever perceived fact suits your need to deny, downplay, and dismiss. You do not argue the work itself, you argue the state of your fragile emotions like that somehow makes criticism invalid. You are not defending the product, you are defending your momentary high. That is the only thing you care about.
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Can you not respond to me when all you’re doing is making unwarranted personal attacks?
If you want to take part in the discussion like an adult, then do that.
Cheers.
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You jumped into a public discussion defending mediocrity, dismissing criticism, and now you want to clutch your pearls when the response is blunt. If you cannot handle people challenging your nonsense directly, maybe stay out of adult conversations. Criticism is not a personal attack just because it bruises your ego. If you want respect, bring an argument worth respecting. Cheers.
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I did none of those things.
I’m trying to explain why it’s not just black and white.
It’s not just ‘this is bad, outrage RAWR’.
You aren’t doing any such thing. You are making personal attacks with slander and lies about me.
Go bother someone else if you can’t behave like a decent person.
You are not explaining nuance, you are dodging accountability. Hiding behind the tired grey area argument does not change the fact the work is bad by objective standards. You dismiss criticism as outrage, then act shocked when people call out your hypocrisy.
You cry slander the second someone holds up a mirror, but no one needs to lie about you. Your words expose exactly where you stand. If you want to avoid discomfort, stop jumping into conversations pretending your feelings override the standards everyone else is discussing.
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I hope wow can have the vibe of a power metal album cover again
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Read the posts I made.
I definitely am.
If you don’t understand that, that’s a ‘you’ problem.
Now like I said: Stop bothering me.
You and me both… This glamrock stuff is just… sad.
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You are the most black and white person in this entire forum. You reduce every valid criticism to outrage, dismiss standards as negativity, and treat any expectation of quality as a personal attack. That is as black and white as it gets. You cannot grasp the nuance you pretend to defend, and now you are running from the conversation because you have nothing left but deflection.
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See, that’s an entirely different message.
I agree with it, to a certain degree.
I don’t want ‘all of WoW’ to be like that. There’s enough space to have different themes and vibes.
Has there been a lack of what you’re describing there for the last several years? For sure. 100%
Okay, you’re going on ignore.
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I have to ask though… If there truly was enough space why did the soft and shallow entirely replace the hard and gritty? If these opposites can naturally coexist why did one replace the other? I want to agree that in a game as big as WoW we can have many opposing things like the Horde and Alliance. It’s nice to have both sides… I just don’t understand if we all think it is possible… Why did things ever get as out of hand as it did?
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Like I already said:
As to the answer: I don’t know for sure.
My guess: It’s a combination of a way-over-the-top course correct after the Blizzard scandal and an overal different view on several things ever since the ‘Me Too’ movement (I think that got the ball rolling on various things), especially in California where Blizzard is based.
I honestly respect you for your honesty in this. It’s refreshing to see. I don’t know either. I have my theories like everyone else does but theories is all they are. Nothing more.
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Wows engine can do voice acting and cutscenes with your character. It’s not a technical problem or because their engine is “too old.” GW1 had voice acting and cutscenes literally 20 years ago. GW2’s engine is built from similar tech but improved to support open world and more cinematic story moments. Even with more money Blizzard chooses to make your character feel like a npc while GW2 makes you the real hero in the story. It’s not about the engine its about how the game is designed.
What I want is for these stories to stop sterilising the natural forces that drive real conflict. Racism, hatred, sectarianism, these are not just ugly words people shy away from, they are fundamental to how power, identity, and belonging shape human history. When you strip them out of a fantasy world, you strip out the very fuel that makes war, politics, and ambition believable.
A world like Warcraft should reflect those raw divides because that is how you build stakes, depth, and ideological conflict that feels real. Every empire, every nation, every tribe in history defined itself by who it was not. Us versus them. Identity forged through opposition. It creates tension, factional loyalty, betrayal, all the tools that make characters compelling and stories memorable.
When you remove those divisions, you get a flat, emotionless setting where everyone is interchangeable and power means nothing. Racism, hatred, and sectarian divides are uncomfortable, but they create believable factions with conflicting worldviews. They allow you to show ambition, conquest, revenge, survival, all the pillars of great storytelling.
Leaders should not apologise for acting in the interests of their people even when it breeds resentment or violence. That is the reality of history, myth, and politics. Embracing those darker truths does not glorify hatred, it acknowledges the forces that shape societies for better or worse. Sanitising fantasy worlds into utopias for tourists strips them of their soul. Let the world be raw, divided, dangerous again. That is where real narrative power lies.
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But Zinziphex, did you not know that if you even try to implement such things in the matter of bigotisms, then it may very well give people emotional damage and it will also be a reflection of the writer’s personal beliefs?
… I wish I were joking about that last part, but I have legit seen people say that unironically. That if a writer decides to write racismus that it’s actually the writer projecting their IRL beliefs.
Those people are not worth the “material” it took to create them, so I really do not care about their existence, let alone their opinion.
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