Oh I know which set you mean now.
I do have some of those more “epic” looking pieces of plate armor on my Warrior.
WHAT? What did I miss?
Even your source says you are not right. It was meant for scourge and the so called Human infestation. (Scourge Army and the Human infestation)
That website that I linked is taking the source from old wowpedia. Let me link you another source which is cut from wowpedia
https:/ /www.youtube.com/watch?v=wzooSzyq9B8&t=149s
2.28 min.
Until, it says word by word that Sylvanas never intended to kill all life it is not rewritten.
Not impressions not speculations
Let me give you some facts:
Her whole campaign in Northrend,
Blighting the entire Vrykul encampment,
Battle for Gilneas
Darkshore scenario
Eastern Kingdom and Lordaerons surrounding lands.
In every occasion she used the blight to cement her own power.
AHAHA
That much is even said in intro the same one you linked.
P.S. I dont need to convince you, I know you wont change your mind or admit that even if people put the facts in front of you.
All I need to do is debunk your speculations and beliefs on the subject, for other not to get misinformed : )
Otherwise I could not care less if you love Sylvanas or not.
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The fact that even Gnomes have used the Plague.
And the fact that other factions have constantly used equally harmful and ‘forbidden’ sources of power that include Fel, Void, and Undeath.
Tactics that mirrored the ones used by the Scourge, the Burning Legion, or the Old Gods. Yes, even the Alliance.
Yeah, referring to the Scarlets and the Alliance enemies that populated the area.
Where does it say they wanted to wage war upon life itself?
No. I want a quest, text, or line from an official World of Warcraft source. I don’t care one bit about a Fandom page and a source-less sentence.
If thats the best you can bring, thats some shaky ground you are building your argument upon.
And? How does ANY of that support a claim that states she wants to wage war upon Life itself?
Blight is but a weapon.
See, if you start from a basis that a playable race isn’t supposed to feel part of the heroic cast of characters that build up the story of heroes in World of Warcraft Game…now that’s a bad start to judge the validity of the claim that comes afterwards.
WHERE?
In what minute, does it say that the Forsaken want to wage war on Life itself?
My speculations?
I’m not the one taking what its NOT being said, and interpreting it in such way that we apparently always had a playable race with a goal that mirrored the motive of one of the most famous one-dimensional villains this game has ever had.
EDIT:
If you are already steering towards Sylvanas when arguing about the Forsaken faction,…
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You truly are one of the biggest Sylvanas fanboys out there.
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Man, i sure must be.
To be capable of invoking her name in a thousand word paragraph that not once mentions her character specifically.
Such power…![:muscle:](https://d1bg94bbsh66ji.cloudfront.net/en/wow/images/emoji/twitter/muscle.png?v=6" ":muscle:")
I just shouted “Sylvanas sucks” from my terrace, Zarao is breaking into my house with a battering ram.
(Disclaimer, this is a joke)
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I think I have found him
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If Sylvanas would be truly evil, she would already would killed every Horde member and rise them as Forsaken. I mean she have the opportunity to do it.
I have just given you two sources saying same thing, one being cut into video from old WoWpedia page.
My theory is based on facts and simple conclusions, while yours is “its never said word in word so it does not exist”. You will neglect everything that wont fit into your own ideas.
If you think that at some point blizzard states officially they are enemies of the life, they will have red health bars on top of their head for both factions and the fanboys will take down the servers by force.
If you do not trust the sources provided I can give you some more to chew upon : )
the Forsaken entered an alliance of convenience with the savage [orcs] and the proud [tauren]Yet, they didn’t hesitate to quietly kill prisoners of war, or experiment on and kill their own new allies if it suited their needs.[[50]]
This seems to suggest that the Forsaken consider themselves part of the Horde now, or are at least upset by the [limitations]]but still have their own machinations.Some in the Horde are uncertain of their true intentions.[[54]]
https: /wow.gamepedia.com/Forsaken
You go on believing that a race who spreads death and kills life in order to not die out would eventually not devour everyone in order to : Achieve their goals or sustain their numbers for procreation. Thats exactly what Sylvanas’s Val’kyr are for.
Edit: https : / wow.gamepedia .com/Infiltrator_Marksen one more
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No.
My “theory”, is that a race that makes up a faction literally introduced in the game as part of an heroic cast of playable races that try to find their place in the world, isn’t going to have as their overarching goal in existence, something that has been attributed to a large amount of rather average one-dimensional villains that the game offers players.
If you think so, you might be having a distorted and frankly skewed point of view regarding how playable factions function in a videogame.
The fact that you have failed to give conclusive proof regarding your claim, and best case scenario had to resort to vague notions that might shakily hold your claim, added with some -quite laughable- attempts to make it seem as if i was somehow arguing about Sylvanas (?)…
Not really convincing.
So far, you’ve managed to “prove” (as if it was needed…) these things:
- That the Forsaken were introduced initially as allies of convenience. With a rather lax and amoral approach regarding their faction ‘mates’. And are mistrusted because of it.
- That their weaponry is rather detrimental for the environment. And they don’t care about it.
Apparently, this all turned into “Yeah, the Forsaken want to end all life”.
And, i couldn’t be bothered to quote all the sources that describe the Forsaken motivation throughout the years that simply say otherwise.
ps: Not going to even bother typing what i think of those that turn any argument against this as “Yeah, you want to bang Sylvanas”. Because, frankly…
.
Zarao = Theresa May.
Lots of big words, with no sense behind them. 
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Good description of Alliance. Bravo!
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Forsaken Race=Playable race
Playable races, are races that don’t have ‘Killable Villain’ goals.
No clear proof for that being the case. And does not make sense.
Zombies behaving as zombies =/= Zombies are Mean Super Zombies.
Better? Now i speak a language you can understand? Or should i also add emojis?
PS: Oh, almost forgot: Arguing Forsaken Good story =/= Person wants to do adult things with a virtual character.
Interesting to know that approximately 56% of the games playerbase isn’t using playable heroic races.
EDIT: Want to add an interesting trivia note:
According to Johnathan Staats, a lot of the designers simply wanted to be able to play as an evil, “badass monster”, rather than simply a misunderstood plagued human, but in the end the Forsaken ended up around the center of the spectrum.
https://wow.gamepedia.com/Forsaken#cite_note-MMO-C_Staats-148
So, there you go, literal confirmation that the faction wasn’t introduced as a generic villain with Scourge motivations and goals.
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But if the longitudinal stability of your commentary is then contradictory to the masses, then your remarks are inexistent.
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furiously browses dictionary
A funny thing Hala once wrote:
Maybe I remember, maybe I dont, is the fact of remembering that really important? lets say I remember that. Mind, I am not saying that I do, but neither that I dont. We cannot outright conclude if i am capable of remembering that without a clear notion that the fact of remembering in itself was remembered by me.
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= Fanboys.
From what its worth is that they were designed evil (oh how unnatural to play evil race eh?) and then fanboys filled them with power of REEEEE…
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Yeah, i hear that the guy in charge of giving said idea the approval and that steered the race in that direction, is a Fanboy of the worst kind. Might have heard of him:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chris_Metzen
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This thread sure went places. Was a fun read, going from sensible aguments to bat-guano levels of crazy in the space of a few minutes.
Still a bit unfortunate that there’s some quotes there thrown into the mix. Screams all: “WELL IF SHE/HE SAYS IT WON’T HAPPEN, THEN IT WON’T!” idea.
On the topic of the Forsaken being evil. Some interesting points I wanted to inquire:
How would you solidify this as one form of argument? For example, players will go at length to show their opinion as to what is a villain and what is not. Let’s use Garrosh for example; I loved the dude and felt he could’ve been written better, but there’s no mistaking in the end he turned into something Evil that needed to be dealt with.
So in this context, you’re wrong? Or am I not getting it? Garrosh is an Orc and Orcs are a playable race?
This I can agree with. But development is a thing.
This is where the argument mixes it up quite literally. A context between: “Forsaken have never been created evil!” versus “Forsaken have always been evil!” when it, in my personal thought should be more that the Forsaken can be developed to be evil.
And again, that depends where you draw the line of what is evil and what isn’t. Let’s not assault each other when it comes to things like this, because this really isn’t the Parliament.
^ This.
Which is even if the Forsaken weren’t intended to be evil or have scourge-like tactics, then it is by development that has made them such and has seeded the quite possible viewpoint that turned them into such.
Nothing wrong with that.
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By saying that a playable race, created as part of the heroic cast of heroes of World of Warcraft, is supposed to have qualities that make them viable “heroes” for this world.
What is being proposed, is to just assume that the Forsaken have, and always had, goals that resonate with what a one-dimensional villain such as the Scourge would have. About wanting to end Life.
This isn’t some standard fantasy setting that has the ‘good’ side and the ‘bad’ side. Both factions (and the races that create them), are part of the narrative cast that fights for the ‘good side’.
Even if the Horde faction was sold in a more shady and negative light.
Not even developers were willing to allow the creation of a playable villain race.
I find it really simple to tell: the second the narrative gave Garrosh motives or goals players couldn’t tag along, and marked his distancing with the rest of the faction, he was no longer part of the heroic cast of playable races and turned into a former faction member that “abandoned” the faction to be a standalone villain for the story.
When the story itself made him declare that none of the playable races were part of “his Horde”.
That’s the turning point.
Not saying otherwise. But there is a lot in between said kind of affirmation and the one that equates on every level, their playable race with a narrative villain such as the Scourge.