Current state of MM on PTR.

10/11/2018 20:48Posted by Vorren
why not put forward ideas on how to improve the spec.

Like say:

Trick Shot to work on 2+ targets.
Remove the nerfs in pvp now that the talents have been reworked.
Buff the damage of Rapid Fire but make it a spender.
Increase the focus re-gen from Steady Shot.
Aimed Shot should reduce the CD for True Shot by 5-10 seconds.
Bring back the raid buff hunters once had.
Change LW to increase the damage by 15-20%.
Overall damage buff of 2-3%
Allow Haste to work on cast times not just CD.
Increase mastery weight.


1. Ideas on how to improve the spec are entirely pointless because blizzard both never read EU forums, and never take feedback into account regardless.

2. Feedback from the 'top' MM theorycrafters in the community is entirely ignored, even when posted in professional and concise formats (See recent reddit feedback compendiums). Feedback from some random suggesting ludicrous changes on a forum they don't read is hardly useful, in all honesty.

10/11/2018 20:48Posted by Vorren
Aimed Shot should reduce the CD for True Shot by 5-10 seconds.


Things like this just make your suggestions silly. Trueshot on PTR is a very powerful 2 min cooldown. With a 10 second reduction, trueshot would be approaching something like a 50 second cooldown, possibly even less at around ~ 30-40 seconds during bloodlust. This isn't even accounting for our calling the shots talent which would further reduce this to something in the region of 20-25 seconds. Does this sound correct to you? Even at 5 seconds, having this as baseline which you imply is precisely why random people on the wow forums do not make good game designers.

10/11/2018 20:48Posted by Vorren
Buff the damage of Rapid Fire but make it a spender.


Pointless change, changes absolutely nothing.

10/11/2018 20:48Posted by Vorren
Change LW to increase the damage by 15-20%.
Overall damage buff of 2-3%


Worry about mechanical changes first, tuning later. This is a clear absolute guess at numbers.

10/11/2018 20:48Posted by Vorren
Allow Haste to work on cast times not just CD.


?? Not even sure what you mean here. Haste DOES work on cast times? This is a very basic thing to understand.

10/11/2018 20:48Posted by Vorren
Increase mastery weight.


..But why? Mastery is completely fine right now, and there is no reason it won't be in 8.1.

The only thing is this entire list that would *actually* be benefitial to MM mechanically is trick shots activating on 2 targets. And even that is only half of it, as it needs to extend past 6 as well. But suggesting this still is just pointless, because this has been included in every bit of feedback since it was added in the BFA alpha. It's clear blizzard have no intent in changing it, otherwise they would have by now.
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10/11/2018 21:13Posted by Jerby
10/11/2018 20:48Posted by Vorren
why not put forward ideas on how to improve the spec.

Like say:

Trick Shot to work on 2+ targets.
Remove the nerfs in pvp now that the talents have been reworked.
Buff the damage of Rapid Fire but make it a spender.
Increase the focus re-gen from Steady Shot.
Aimed Shot should reduce the CD for True Shot by 5-10 seconds.
Bring back the raid buff hunters once had.
Change LW to increase the damage by 15-20%.
Overall damage buff of 2-3%
Allow Haste to work on cast times not just CD.
Increase mastery weight.


1. Ideas on how to improve the spec are entirely pointless because blizzard both never read EU forums, and never take feedback into account regardless.

2. Feedback from the 'top' MM theorycrafters in the community is entirely ignored, even when posted in professional and concise formats (See recent reddit feedback compendiums). Feedback from some random suggesting ludicrous changes on a forum they don't read is hardly useful, in all honesty.

10/11/2018 20:48Posted by Vorren
Aimed Shot should reduce the CD for True Shot by 5-10 seconds.


Things like this just make your suggestions silly. Trueshot on PTR is a very powerful 2 min cooldown. With a 10 second reduction, trueshot would be approaching something like a 50 second cooldown, possibly even less at around ~ 30-40 seconds during bloodlust. This isn't even accounting for our calling the shots talent which would further reduce this to something in the region of 20-25 seconds. Does this sound correct to you? Even at 5 seconds, having this as baseline which you imply is precisely why random people on the wow forums do not make good game designers.

10/11/2018 20:48Posted by Vorren
Buff the damage of Rapid Fire but make it a spender.


Pointless change, changes absolutely nothing.

10/11/2018 20:48Posted by Vorren
Change LW to increase the damage by 15-20%.
Overall damage buff of 2-3%


Worry about mechanical changes first, tuning later. This is a clear absolute guess at numbers.

10/11/2018 20:48Posted by Vorren
Allow Haste to work on cast times not just CD.


?? Not even sure what you mean here. Haste DOES work on cast times? This is a very basic thing to understand.

10/11/2018 20:48Posted by Vorren
Increase mastery weight.


..But why? Mastery is completely fine right now, and there is no reason it won't be in 8.1.

The only thing is this entire list that would *actually* be benefitial to MM mechanically is trick shots activating on 2 targets. And even that is only half of it, as it needs to extend past 6 as well. But suggesting this still is just pointless, because this has been included in every bit of feedback since it was added in the BFA alpha. It's clear blizzard have no intent in changing it, otherwise they would have by now.


So your idea then is to do nothing say nothing just forget about posting about MM as blizzard wont read anything.........
10/11/2018 20:48Posted by Vorren

8.1 Currently is better than it is now. Are their issue yes tons but Im trying to work the spec out and make it work for us. End of the day I have played MM all my wow life and its the spec I enjoy the most.


You can try to make it work out but its not going to work out in the current iteration on PTR. Its completely irrelevent if you played MM all wow Life. I seriously doubt that statement, cause it would be impossible to be this clueless if it was true.

Will the new version of MM work in M+ , Raiding and pvp yes I think it will.


They can buff numbers and make any spec work in raiding, but numbers wont fix this spec for pvp or M+.

So get your head out your !@# and instead of crying about your broken spec why not put forward ideas on how to improve the spec.

Wow. Do you think its LACK OF IDEAS that made MM to what it is now on PTR? Really? You dont think that top-players have come up with good suggestions during Legion / BFA? Oh lord, you are ignorant if thats the case.

ALL of your suggestions just give witness to the fact that you are completely clueless when it comes to game design. Only suggestion of worth is the trick shot, but that is so obvious that youre not gonna get any credit to it.
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Honestly, before BfA MM had this feeling of tracking and hunting down, mark your target and eliminate it. Now it’s nothing more than part of the big 0815 rotation. Yea it’s less focused on aimed shot but come on… it’s a sniper class… do you see a sniper fire around with some kind of gatling gun? Or randomly shoot at targets without doing much dmg? Or shoot while running around?

MM before: Prepare traps for approaching enemies. Mark your target, snipe it down. Maybe use some side utility abilities, watch out to not get caught. The perfect sniper spec and I loved it to bits.

MM now: Run around like rambo, keep shooting around, run away while shooting, CC a bit and keep shooting around. Yea it’s something else now but well… not very Marks Man like…

Edit: So for me it is goodbye MM until Blizz gets it at least somehow back to the more Sniper-like playstyle.

Do you mean when aimed shot did sh*t damage and was castable while moving?