Curve only proves that you beat a certain boss on heroic, before new content is released. Nothing more, nothing less. It says nothing about knowing the tactics of that fight or any of the others.
It’s a hollow achievement. It has no value.
People that ask for that achievement aren’t raidleaders. They’re glorified groupformers.
Can get a full boost for 150k now, that’s like 3 hours of grinding cash or a wow token will get you Insta invited for ever more after. Just do it.
I’m 7/8H 2/8M and I’ve had no problem joining groups each week. Just a shame none of the groups I get into bother with the final boss. despite one-shotting the previous 7.
So who is more likely to know the bossfight/it’s mechanics? The guy that never killed him or the guy that has actually killed him?
Logs will better show how good a player is, but tbh. thats just way to time consuming just for a HC PUG.
It’s like saying raider io has no value, but if you’ve ever played a +10 with 4 players that have like 200 score, you know it does.
This curve bulls#1t is as a result of a society de-evolving under a mentality of participation ribbons. A society where it is more important to have a participation ribbon showing that you have “participated” in some activity rather than to know if you are actually any good at doing the specific activity. Any guild worth their salt would know there are guilds out there selling “ahead of the curve” as a service and thus rendering the achievement pointless. It is not a measure of how good you are, but rather how good the 24 other players in your raid group was. You may just have been the muppet sitting sideline that payed the 20K - 50K gold to get it. Guilds should rather have a sort of an interview process where you take the applicant on a raid and see how he does and then make a call on his proficiency.
The achievement it self is pointless. There are quite a few of those like the “tall, dark and sinister” one you get for collecting all the Darkshore Warfront transmog set items. It should rather be called “tall, dark and slight zombified due to repetitive boredom” achievement after running 20+ Darkshore Warfronts. The achievement in any case is pointless as people will know you have the transmog set because you are wearing it.
Achievements should be based on your own effort put into a given task and not the effort of group. Like if you caught 10 000 fish. Now that is an achievement for not slipping into a coma while fishing. You may argue that this is similar to the “tall, dark and sinister” one above, but it is not. No one will know you have done in because you would have either used the fish or sold it on the auction house.
Grats on missing the entire point.
No one talks about guilds and their requirements here. It’s about PUGs asking for Curve cause it reduces the possibility of the player being dog poop. Yes, there are people buying curve, but they’re not the majority.
Furthermore a guild will look at logs and not a single achievement, which will show who got boosted, who got it even though they suck and who carried the rest.
Actually it does not. The player can still be dog poop with gold.
PUG’s are for all players right? Including solo players. Solo players do not raid in guilds, that is why they are called solo players. They do LFR and LFD to complete story lines and quests or achievements. Solo players will not easily fork out gold to buy and achievements and will therefore get overlooked. PUG’s should accept anyone that requests to join and kick them based on their performance not whether he/she has a participation ribbon.
And there is a participation ribbon for your comment as well…
It’s not about the individual, it’s about probability.
Someone that has provenly cleared the content (Achievements) is more likely to not fail the mechanics than a fresh 120. Thats just a fact. If a curved player then underperforms, you can still kick him.
That’s not the definition of a ‘solo player’. Thats just a casual.
Most of my friends are either 7-8/8 HC and 2+/8 mythic, without being in a raiding guild. I was at 7/8 HC and 2/8 M before i joined a guild that actually raided HC/Mythic. Everyone can open their own raid or join a raid, appropriate to their own skill/progression. Why would i invite someone with 3/8 LFR to my mythic raid, he should spend his time working his way up beforehand.
Same for a 5/8 HC guy, he shouldn’t expect to join a 8/8 zerg run that just wants to clear the whole raid in under 2 hours time. He should join a raid appropriate to his own progression.
Or, you know, i just accept the best people queueing.
If there is a popular job, say a developer job at blizzard, wouldn’t it be smarter to give said job to someone that has more experience AND more qualifications over someone that just got out of college?
You won’t get into that job if you’re fresh out of middle school, that’s not how it works.
Well from the state of the game and the clear unhappiness of the player base that does not seem to be working out for Blizzard at this stage now does it. Maybe they should try the guy fresh out of middle school. He might actually have a few ideas on what makes a game fun. Try something different because “that’s how it works” might not work at all. Educated people are sometimes the most stupid ones your get. (Just to highlight it “SOMETIMES” not always, before some people throw a temper tantrum again.)
PUGs use to be about having fun playing the game, helping less experienced players learn the game mechanics. Helping less experienced players get better gear and having fun while doing it. Now it’s all about “whatever dungeon/raid fast run must have aotc to apply”. Just another lightning storm thought the content while moaning all the way through about “omg why is this taking so long”. There is no fun in this any more.
Yes, in the first few weeks of a raid and that’s still the case. Everyone got into normal/hc raids, without old achievements. Thats how i did it, i didn’t even play before BFA.
But after 2 MONTH of clearing the content, i don’t want to spend 2 hours on the second boss of HC and there are enough people in the same boat, i have 4 characters that i want to clear uldir with, i don’t have time for that.
Those that want to, can always open their own raid or join a progression raid.
But when there is a group with ‘380+ curve only’ and you are 370 and are 5/8 HC, don’t get mad if you get declined.
When you make your own group and realise “damn half of these people are stupid and incompetent” You’ll appreciate things like curve and raider IO existing. The easy fix is to stop the welfare epics being handed out so half of this nonsense wouldn’t be needed, oh well just look at it this way: You can thank the majority who are 370 off of welfare epics who do less damage than some 110 players probably do.
I agree with you. But these achievements/rio-things are also filtering all the good players without the needed achievements and scores out. There has to be some kind of middle way. I have spended my Christmas holiday to get my score from 800 up to 1050. I did not become a better player though. I only got better in getting accepted in groups.
Groups requiring you to have AotC to join are rarely started by players that are attempting content for the first time; if they are, it’ll be so that the character starting the Group can be carried.
… or the Group Starter doesn’t want any ‘carries’ in their Group.
Getting a Raid run complete - above LFR/outside of a Guild team - is nigh on impossible without jumping through hoops.
“Make your own Group” is all well and good if you’ve seen the content you’re proposing to run, that way you won’t get others leaving after every pull if things don’t run clinically.
The only vehicle for getting a Raid run for the first time when the character you want to run it on has zero experience in said Raid is a Boost… and that is an anathema many players could well do without in any game.
Its a simple fix, make your own group. I don’t like it but its the easiest fix to show a bit of commitment and go through the excruciating pain of trying to filter LFG for yourself. Thats how you can get curve/decent scores given your prepared to invest some hours.
Well, all those other rio 1k people had to do the same, it’s not always fun but it shows a combination of skill and dedication.
Or just do it when it comes out, not 2 months later when everyone expects players to know the raid.
That highly depends, if you join a ‘380+ only curve’ group it’s 100% in the realm of possibilities to kill the first 7 bosses one-shot.
But when i join a group and the RL has no clue, doesn’t explain poop after they wiped, I’ll be gone in no time.
There are few possibilities for you how to get it :
Join guild and progress in the game with it.
Join some social game community on discord ( like Fail Train ) which is not that demanding.
Join the pugs which are on the same level of progression as you or make your own group, but don’t get angry because more experienced pugs which want to have the smooth runs and the least amount of trouble they can get because of which they are making this requirements don’t wish to invite you if you don’t have anything which would prove your competence for that fight.
Can players - in general, not specifically you - take a moment to stop & posit that some good players have the potential to Raid without the backup of a Guild or other social structure behind them…?
Those who need to Raid (World First! types) will be the ones who are geared & ready on day one.
Many who want to Raid (those who ‘collect’ Cutting Edge/Ahead of the Curve) will take a little bit longer.
Some who would like to Raid (those who want to get the gear the Raid has to offer, but don’t impose time pressures on themselves) will take the longest.
See the difference in priority…?
Does it make me a less capable player that I don’t need to see Raid content on Day-1…? Not really, but that doesn’t mean I don’t want to see it at all.
Too many players are pushed into Guild structures they may not like, to see content they like more, just to see Raids at Normal & above… or are made to pay through the nose to do so (or some other point in between those points).
Why shouldn’t relaxed Raiding be something available to all…?
Why does it have to be unnecessarily gated by the greedy & or the less benevolent among the player base?
I guess the “haves” will always cling to their divisions from the “have nots”… some just like them wider than others.
Pugers, like me and like all people complaining here avoid any kind of social responsability to a group. In return they get to play with people without any kind of responsability towards you.
The reason as to why you dont get people catering to your needs is because you try to join with people like you, that want to take but never to give.
Stop being antisocial if you don want people to be antisocial towards you. Otherwise you have LFR that requires no group work.
Wauw. Just wauw.
No way. I am a pugger and I always say hi. I /moo to other taurens. I share my loot and very often I ask for voice. My friendlist is also growing.
I am a player and the others in the group are that too. I treat them like I want to be treated by them.
I am in a very social guild who is raiding normal and heroic. It only has a sign up system and when you are not responding in 10 minutes you are out for that week. That sucks, but I have a lot of friends in there.
I am just flabbergasted by your post. Really.
Have you tried making your own group? You can get curve by outstanding leadership and explanation of tactics and after that you can join any(lul) group you want.