I look at what you put, then look at your guild name.
Good one.
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But I do not play the content where it matters (which is arguable) is because my ability sucks, and like i said the choice aesthetic vs power is not a fun for me and lead me to quiting the game.
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This is a silly response, especially based on the rest of your replies in which you made a choice based on your terms, not what was going to provide the best DPS or be the meta. You laid out all the reasons of why you did so and somehow you are still complaining about blizzard not fixing the covenant you chose to be completive for the content you play.
I switched covenants 3 times, just to see how each one played out and which one felt like the best fit. It doesn’t to a medical degree to figure out which one is more powerful and you can essentially read guides from wowhead, icy veins and YouTube to investigate the results of people playing these covenants, there’s really no excuse but you still made a choice you weren’t happy with and yet expect in 3 months for Blizzard to have balanced it to your liking.
There’s really no debate here and of course it won’t be balanced ever in terms of DPS meters or even PvP, it was never promised, each covenant is supposed to have it’s strengths and weaknesses that players choose based on their liking, so I don’t see how people could not understand that, there was plenty of time to know about this before hand and can be fairly easily determined and predicted from looking at the soul binds and your class abilities.
I don’t have any empathy for people like this, quit the game and come back in a year.
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But you can do mythic raiding and 15 and over keys with suboptimal setups. That’s just an excuse lmao.
No, what i expect usually is for the multi billion dollar company to have balanced them before launch, and if balance was not possible to have delivered on the promise the game director made. Even in 10.0 you will not see these things balanced. Saying 3 months is too early for them to balance things in the game is giving Blizzard an excuse, and a poor one at best. Also speaking of promises wasn’t it promised that there wouldn’t be an “incorrect choice” when it comes to covenants.
Yeah I can get carried in a mythic raid, sure but can i pull my weight in that enviroment ? Also this is kinda contradictive to your “content were it matters” argument, so i’m starting to think what exactly is this content the choice matter is ?
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I’m saying that while you’re doing your sub 10 keys it doesn’t matter what covenant ability you have, those are a snoozefest to begin with. It won’t have any effect if you have your bis or the most off-meta covenant you can go with.
If you’re a skilled player and have a non-meta covenant you can still pull your weight in mythic raiding or high keys. But if you’d be mythic raiding I’m not sure why you’d prioritize cosmetics or anything like that that has no value over player power to begin with. If you’re skilled at a class/spec a single button won’t be the make or break between you “being carried” and you pulling your weight.
But you keep telling yourself w/e you want to hear to use as an excuse.
Because when i didn’t preoritize them I did not like my character. Why are you people treating this like a zero/sum thing ? Its not one or the other its both things that kept me playing the game.
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Yeah and if you’d kept reading instead of screeching instantly you’d see that I explained:
If you’re skilled at a class/spec a single button won’t be the make or break between you “being carried” and you pulling your weight.
Except its not a single button is it ? Soulbinds and the signature ability are not a factor for you ?
Also if we are getting hostile, I’m not seeing any progression achievments on your account soo… I’m starting to think you have no idea what goes around in a +10 much less than a 15+.
Cause it’s an alt made in legion lmfao.
Yeah I am well aware that soulbinds / signature abilities play a role. Nadija is middle of the pack out of all of them. So yeah I don’t really see an actual reason for you to be stuck doing 7s and not even clearing LFR other than laziness.
FoS carry over to alts mate.
I gave you the reason, i no longer play the game because I am not having fun due to covenants, as you can see this character doesn’t even have the renown levels.
Clearly they don’t.
https ://imgur.com/a/Nr8KHT6
Well, I would say it’s quite astonishing that Blizzard only made 1 useless covenant per spec. Could have been worse :x
I literally don’t use my covenant class ability unless I truly have nothing else to press. Night Fae Shaman sucks.
Here’s the thing.
Take a class like Death knight for example. It’s nearly as balanced as it gets at the moment with covenants. Each covenant, has at least one conduit that’s in a damage range of 100 dps from one another. So quite close. But necrolord’s the higher one by like 30~40 dps and people still chose 80% necrolord.
And if you think it’s about the theme. Necrolords and death knights work, then know that 50~60% of blood dk’s are venthyr because it’s BIS. And people who didn’t go venthyr are most likely going necro because they plan on dpsing too.
Even if they fix the dead covenants, nothing happens. This whole system is doomed to be this way. People will go for the BIS. Casuals and hardcore players alike.
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I PvP as Disc p and the meta pick is Venthyr, people sing tales of it’s praises and how you must have this talent, streamers and YouTubers call it one of the best covenant abilities in the game.
In reality in 90 percent of time in PvP games if not more it’s an absolute non factor for the vast majority of players. I can’t tell you how many games I’ve played against priest only to have this ability cast on me or my partner at full HP only for me to immediately dispel it, completely wasted, and you might not be alive 45 seconds later to use it again or you might be playing entirely defensive and trying to stay alive and therefore get zero casts out of it.
Now I’m sure people that are playing at the top level are getting much more pressure on the enemy team, playing with better players who help peel and CC so that the priest isn’t under so much pressure and doing setups where it can be a real game changer but I can bet you that 9/10 priest in PvP are not even getting value out of this talent. In all my 800 arena matches and RBG matches this season I can hardly recall situations when it was actually used effectively on myself and my teammates.
And if you’re playing Night Fae you might say it’s a useless covenant, no damage, mobility talent, just passive abilities, how do you calculate things that don’t show up on DPS and HEAL meters? But come next patch NF is getting buffed for priests, 15 dmg reduction instead of 10, better buffs for passive abilities. Stacking 15 % dmg reduc with Pain suppression is 55 dmg reduction, plus you got abilities that help w mana regen and mobility, two of priest’s biggest issues right now. Plus a cool down to Rapture can be insane defensively but you know I’m sure many people will call this a useless covenant because you don’t get a pretty button to push the meters up.
That’s the problem with the community, they don’t understand what is best for them and they screw themselves over in the end without even realizing it, especially covenant abilities can be stronger or weaker at different points or content in the game or a non factor if you know your class.
I agree with mindgames hype.
i see it as more valuable on a shadowpriest in 2s or 3s with a double/triple dps setup where you’re less likely to come up against a healer.
Running it as a healer implies you will be facing other healers often. I have lost count of how just like you, I simply dispel mindgames shortly after it is cast and it’s done. People seem to behave like if it lands, it’s GG, it really isn’t. It’s actually a very easy ability to counter for an opposing healer, too easy i’d argue.
Double DPS with no dispel, different story. My own disc whom i’m planning on running in PvP when I level him up is either gonna be NF or Necro for the added burst and the shield and CC immunity. Mindgames is not worth more than all of that, even if Nadja is a good bind in herself.
Also a lot of people use MG waaaaay too early. Like it’s probably best to use it to stop a clutch or secure a kill. Using it when someone is over half health and at liberty to just defend themselves is a complete waste, yet I saw it a lot when I did 2s on my pala.
I also think there’s something to be said for running “off meta”. Pretty much most priests have been Ven that I have faced. It means I predict their behaviour (sometimes well, sometimes badly) like many shaman are necro (resto), but when i came up versus my first ven shaman i was a bit suprised as i didn’t expect the burst.
This is why I run Ven on my holypala. It gives people something extra to think about when it turns out you’re not a defensive healbot but rather you can go into burst mode with very little warning and threaten their dps with instant nukes for nearly half their health, or drop a huge red carpet which makes rogues unable to open on you after they have restealthed. Doesn’t mean it always works of course.
But it about what works for you. Using Ven Priest but not actually using the ability well, or feeling like it’s intuitive, it’s just dumb. Only do what the guide says you should if you yourself can actually made good on why they say that and you can see it and realise it. If you can’t, there’s no point.
Better an undertuned but well utilised and effectively used cov ability than a perfectly tuned one that you rarely if ever use properly.
“It’s just alpha”
“It’s just beta”
“It’s just the middle of the expansion”
“I’m sure they will get it right next time”
People who still say this after the third expansion in a row where they can’t balance these systems at all should wake up already.
Blizzard can’t even balance classes properly, let alone the systems they put on top of them, and that will never change. If they didn’t manage to figure it out in 6 years, there is just no hope that they ever will.
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The game will never, ever, ever, ever, ever…be “balanced” and never has been. Nobody here is just saying it’s just Alpha or Beta or that it will ever be perfectly balanced one day, there will be changes, but anyone with common sense can understand that in 3 months they will not be able to go through every class, spec, soul bind, conduit, covenant and be able to bring them closer in line to each other, it just takes basic intelligence to understand the reality of that.
Especially when the soul bind trees weren’t even fully unlocked, why would they “balance” things before then? It makes no sense. That would essentially have them doing and undoing changes every 2 weeks and people would be crying when their OPness gets nerfed because it was overtuned.
People who are always complaining and whining about their class or covenant just don’t get it. No one wants to hear you crying, state the issues and facts with your class and make actual feedback and if you’re lucky and enough people agree with you then one day they may change it. Otherwise you’re just wasting your own time and energy.
If there’s no hope and you want to be all emo about it then why are you still playing? Play something else, nobody needs to hear 6 years of tears and complaining.
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