this says pretty much everything. My favorite is when you pop all cds and in the raid you are tarhetted by something and need to move before tyrant. If it was insta casts -easy, but now your dps is just gone.
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Yeah and it’s not just that, tyrant isn’t even really burst if you take away the DC (which was better even in BFA) and even when you have it, as you say it’s very unreliable burst, it’s just pet that has high sustain and literaly any player with half a brain will counter it without even having to pop a single CD)
And what’s the alternative? A build that isn’t neccesarily even better and requires casting too as well as covenant ability, soulbinds and conduits, SL-exclusive stuff? And which is again talented on top of that.
Not to mention plethora of other issues. Like having far fewer passives and abilities than other classes, very stripped baseline toolkit, slow rampup etc etc
I think basicaly most of us can agree, even if we disagreed on the methods, some things need to be changed, at least some.
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And I don’t get why a master summoner can’t Summon an abyssal or other big demons
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Something we were perfectly capable of before. But no you have to kindly ask every single demon to come forth to you, what a powerful summoner !
Demo is by far the most fun spec to play in my opinion, however there are some real issues I have with some of the talent choices and actual playstyle that need desperate attention.
PvP talent choices are just awful. 2 of them require you to drop Felguard, which causes some talents to be literally useless. If I want to try a burstier setup in arena I need Succubus out, meaning I lose my felguard stun as well as my big whirlyboi. Same with Singe Magic.
The amount of hardcasting you have to do as a Demo Lock is painful and in some ways thematically backwards. Destro and Affliction have instant-cast big demons, whereas we have to hardcast Tyrant, and we’re supposed to be masters of demons?
The damage obviously isn’t bad as Demo, especially after the buff, but it’s just sooooooo slow to ramp up. I know at higher gear levels with more haste it won’t be as bad, but we really need some shorter casts or even instants to speed up the rotation a little.
Tyrant itself needs some changes to make it less avoidable in PvP. The long cast gives the opposition time to kite and get CC ready for the Tyrant - it rarely gets a lot of value. It should be immune to slows, or even some CC and should have more health for sure, given its CD.
I love the spec, I really do, but with the upcoming PvP talent overhaul in 9.1 I fully expect Demo to get some serious love. I’ll be disappointed if not. It’s the class most in need of an overhaul at this point.
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That is what bothered me from the beginning. I though demo would be a fight control dps. Which summons demons to control the fight.
Destruction is the burst dps.
Affliction is the Rot spec.
Demo the controller.
Because we aren’t. As soon as they stripped away meta we were nothing but aspirants.
Ironic how we have gotten weaker ever since we went on this “summoner” theme 
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Because summoning demons is the beginner and the master turns into one.
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Because they do not want demo to be the strongest. Remember where Affliction was in BFA. Apart from Uunat, never saw play neither in raids or m+. Destro was the king overall.
Where is destro now?
Maybe the next expansion demo will be the king of the warlocks. My problem with that approach is why we have a couple of specs since every expansion only one is competitive?
And finally, they said: Tyrant is one min cd, what do players expect? well dear blizzard, combust is nearly one minute as well, it is ridiculous to even compare them.
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Tyrant is far far far far far away from bring broken like combust.
It is an insult to combust if you compare them.
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Not really. Meta is surely faster compared to BfA but specs with a decent utility (but that lacks burst) find themselves in a decent spot. BM hunters being strong in 2v2 and Arms being just busted due to its utility are 2 example.
Demo lacks in the burst department but its utility is garbage too. Combining that with its unbelieveably high ramp up time; the spec is just not fit for today’s WoW PvP scene AT ALL.
The thing is, Demo’s issues will make the spec obsolete in ANY meta. Your ability to get a kill is tied to a very clunky AI, which can be LoSed, stuned, slowed, interrupted, feared, banished etc.
That’s why its the LEAST played spec together with Arcane Mage (although i personally believe Arcane Mages would be decent and fun to play in 2v2).
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Dmg is pretty damn good for demonology warlock. I don’t agree that spec is even close to as broken as some people make it out to be. I’m still a bit new to it but it works our very well for me.
The few improvements I would like to see though is
- Demonic Calling should reset the cooldown of dread stalkers
- Tyrant should be instant
- Imp swarm would be nice
While the demonic consumption increases the skill cap of this spec a lot it sure as hell has drawbacks. There’s nothing worse to setup the perfect tyrant to have it interrupted by some forced movement or stomp knock crap.
They should at least make the other 2 options competitive or interesting. Because right now they are dead talents.
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Right now nobody is complaining about the dmg, it is the playstyle. We have a slow ramp up playstyle in a fast pace meta, that went change this xpac. Blizzard just ignored the warlock community completely since Legion, they don’t listen to our plea.
They just have to switch the dmg numbers, like remove MR from Affliction and increase the dmg of all other abilities by that amount. Increase the survivability for PvP and Rapid Contagion is the Shard spender for on the move, Deathbolt for ST casted burst skill. Dark Soul baseline burst, all specs.
Destruction needs just an increase in dmg from all abilities except Chaos Bolt and decrease the Shard generation.
Demo total rework, the play style is to slow. To much ramp up for to less dmg. Other classes can deal higher numbers with far less ramp up.
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Exactly, the real problem is the ramp up. Not the damage. Too much time to do damage compared to almost all classes in the game.
I’m not a fan of tyrant, for me it’s not the better way to burst. I dislike the whole idea to hardcast more and more lesser demons to heavy cast a giant demon that do all job.
Instead, i prefer the old and thematically “darksoul: knowledge” to boost mastery/spell damage as burst. Need a little change to the demo mastery, that increase demons and also caster damage.
This change and the dogs istant i think can help a lot the spec in pve and pvp.
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And increases the haste of all demons.
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Exactly the damage is good and nobody is saying that is the problem. The problem is the way in which we deal damage and the time it takes to do that.
Likewise warlock specs are completely stripped to the bone, few passive effects, few of anything really.
And tbf for tyrant and dogs insta cast, everybody who dislikes current design agrees on that being a good idea I think.
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