It is fairly easy to see who it is, as I only have one moderator. There are plenty of LGBTQ+ in the group, and many even voiced their opinions which seems to have been wiped as well. And I hope that their voices arent being disregarded either.
The situation itself has been blown out of proportion, the moderator did not attack any individual and made a joke that was poorly received. Had they truly been bigoted and malicious, they will have been removed.
I am still of the belief we could have solved it peacefully but we had to use our forum voices.
Stirring for someone to say something out of hand is also not fun. I for one welcome the increase in DH rp, and the premise that this Endless Hunt represents.
I tried my best to keep it between our DMs, but after you advised me to take it up to your moderator I realised that this was never going to resolve as peacefully as you imagined it to.
It was as simple as saying “we’ll work on it, thank you for your input.” and that would be fine, but your moderator blew it out of proportion and basically said “sorry you got offended” and “muh freedom of speech”. The logs were posted but the post got mass reported and removed.
My original post was meant as a “hey just a warning there’s a guy here who’s evidently very close minded!” The “ya’ll are the same lmao” after I posted this thread adds to it.
Dunno, it usually never is just one off-colour joke. If those jokes get tolerated, worse stuff will get posted as well. I’m not sure that’s healthy for any community, especially if a moderator is the one posting those things.
Especially with the way said moderator doubled down on it in this thread, before that post also got removed.
My name is Valteryl Dawnfold and I am the one who has received all the written allegations that were pointed out. I will not hide from your disgusting work. Our community fares much better without the likes of you disturbing a perfectly tight knotted relationship. I do wonder how you sleep at night.
We are here to roleplay and it is my duty to make sure interferences like these don’t alter in any way what you have come here for. But this goes beyond this simple post, you have been completely destroyed verbally AND politely, exposing all facts that we, the players, knew the common decency and applied it correctly.
Copy pasta aside, your mod is absolutely cringe, Zoa, and everything he says feels like he is his scars IRL as he is in-game, which is just turbo cringe. And whilst cringe is not offensive - his open remarks and attempts are. Idk why you are playing hide and seek with his sword in your mouth, but just apologise, remove the mod and move on
If anything, it only shows that the likes of Carvian are best to be left out. Of course, perhaps it wasn’t handled well by Zoadriel & Co, but throwing them under the bus and creating a fuzz by using whatever agenda is perhaps even worse. Because it just truly shows that Carvian will be ready to share logs, thus “privacy” is not a thing to be considered when talking to him, the moment things won’t go the way he’d like to.
My point is - not all communities are for everyone, mature way would be to leave it and just avoid it because it didn’t work out. Instead of going out into court of public opinion and start screaming the usual.
Good luck with your guild Zoa and don’t waste your energy or time on such likes, really. It’ll only burn you out and perhaps deliver them some form of satisfaction.
And no, before someone decides to reply saying how I’m anti-LGBTwhatever±, I’m not. But using it as an argument point is also wrong in this case.
Ultimately, if you’re a moderator who’s accused of saying lightly bigoted jokes, do you
Apologize and delete the joke, and not make similar jokes again, or
Double down on it, call the accuser the r-slur and a snowflake clown, whine about not being able to joke about rainbow chairs and ‘pronoun madness’, say that you’ve definitely destroyed said accuser verbally AND politely, and then tell others in the community to abuse forum’s flagging system to get said post removed?
And if you’re the owner of a community where your single moderator (that, by the way other forumgoers would not be aware of - I had assumed you had several moderators) does the second option, do you
Remove said moderator, or
Not remove said moderator, lawyer-talk on the forums about contextless accusations when full context was shown, and use LGBTQ+ people’s opinions in your community as a shield against your moderator’s bigotry thereafter?
It’s a public community?
And indeed, if the community is not for LGBTQ+ people given what types of jokes are tolerated there, the mature way was chosen through first approaching the owner, then the moderator, then since things didn’t work out, leaving and leaving a warning on the forums in case other LGBTQ+ people are interested in joining said community.
You may want to sit down for this shocking reveal, but
If you label your community to be LGBTQ+ friendly and to their inquiries and concerns all you do is “lol, not my problem/it is out of context” - then you ain’t LGBTQ+ friendly.
My bad. I didn’t read the OOC part beforehand and automatically assumed it was a guild, not a public community. In which case, I would recommend for the OP to hold down a conversation to discuss and find a compromise but everything else from what I’ve said does stand as it is.
I’m sure OP did state that there are other people who are part of this community. By saying that “community isn’t for everyone” means more than just one thing (LGBTQ+), but more as personal belief, views, perception. E.g - you may strongly disagree with someone because of A B C factor and that would be completely right. But it wouldn’t make much sense then to go out and say in public that B people factor should avoid.
It’s a case by case sort of event.
If a person behaves like that, regardless of what they represent, it’s a person problem. Not what they want to represent.
Like what? Going and speaking about the issue privately, get insulted in return under the premise of “i work long shifts and im a bit touchy rn, sorry”, and then raising the said issue in public, when clearly 0 steps have been taken to fix the problem at hand?
If you do not like stuff to be posted on public - then mby start treating people with some decency in private convos
I find that if you disagree with LGBTQ+ people existing or make jokes on their behalf, you’re not really making the community you’re in exactly welcoming for LGBTQ+ people. (The you is not directed at specifically you, but as a general you, btw.)
Will some LGBTQ+ people not care about this? Definitely. Do some, who really could’ve used the warning? Definitely. And do some LGBTQ? people care, but not speak out in fear of being removed from the community or any other valid reason? Also definitely. People aren’t a monolith.
It’d probably also helps the community to have this warning out here, so similar occurences might not happen again in the future, by the way. I’m sure the community leader wouldn’t want other LGBTQ+ people coming to them with similar complaints in the future and deal with this all over again.
It does very much seem like it has been blown our of proportion, by your moderator.
While I’d be inclined to agree that the chair comment / cringe pronoun joke, is less outright bigotry, and more just in bad taste. The moderator has very much showed their true colours when confronted.
However, instead of adressing the concern, or dismisisng it diplomatically I.E: “First time I’ve heard that, will keep an eye on it.” They instatnly resorted to veiled threats and the classic “You people” comment.
Looking at it from the outside in, one would be inclined to assume that any accusations of bigotry are very well founded. Especially when someone doubles down with hostility when confronted with a queer persons’ concerns.
With you being LGBT like you say, I’d honestly have expected you’d adress a concern like this with more elegance, rather than respond to it with thinly veiled threats of expulsion from the community.
While you can very much could argue the concern brought up by a singular person, does mean that it is not particularly valid. It is not a good look for a representative of the community to react with hostility when small fish are pulled into harbour.
The moderation style frankly does not bode well for the longeitvity of a community, if you’re completely unable to adress concerns of a singular person in a level headed fashion.
The brave soldier finally taking a stand against the one (1x) tyranical LGBTQ+ person by: Continuing to threaten the person on the forums, this time with action from blizzard, and making pronoun jokes once again.
“Hey gamer sorry for making you uncomfortable, won’t happen again!”
Imagine writing that and being done with it instead of writing a villain speech worthy of a Reddit moderator
