Don't forget about the Mage Tower

Will I have a considerably harder time doing that? :stuck_out_tongue_closed_eyes:

By the time I get my Druid to 60, prepatch gear will probably be available anyway…

Because the werebear skin comes with a unique model that is not available anywhere else.

The feral MT skin is just a reskin on a HD cat model we have, nothing special, just sparkle effects on it. The werebear is a fundamentally different beast entirely (including the fact it has its own animations and even a different /dance). I know it sounds like it diminishes the worth of the skin, but in the end that is all it is: A skin, while the werebear is a full blown new model.

In my opinion the werebear skin should have not went away, or if it did they could have added an alternative option that you can get from other forms of content.

I find it fine that they decided to bring it back, though with a DH look-alike skin, but the fact is that since these challenges cannot really be brute forced with gear (unless you get special gimmicky setups that take advantage of the scaling mechanic) a lot of people will find it hard to push through it because there is no gear to help you with it.

I personally feel that the current level of challenge is fine for the mage tower. I cannot really do it anymore due to my anxiety issues (plus I do not like the armor sets that drop from there) but even if I would like to get it I’d only want Blizzard to touch the challenges that are notably harder (Holy priest and Resto shaman comes to mind).

I think the fact that we had the artifact overcharge in the last few months of Legion’s lifetime just skewed the perception of how difficult the mage tower was when it was current.

I did the druid mage tower before the overcharge, and it was rough for me in 930 gear simply because I kept messing up the knockbacks (I lose track of it way too easily) but that was on me. My character was more than fine to do the challenge in that gear.

The difference now is that some mechanics were fine tuned this time around. Some of the old cheese tactics do not work anymore so it actually feels like a challenge to overcome (hell, some mechanics do not work as they used to before, like the fact that on priest the casters hurt way harder due to the fact that you can purge their stacks.)

Keep on at it, find the part that you are struggling the most at, and think on what is the reason why you aren’t able to surpass it: Is it because too many things are happening at one time? Lack of CC? Lack of interrupts? Would it help to shift some of your burst over to that part, or can it be circumvented with clever use of turtle mechanics?

This can be said for ANY other artifact skin as well, a lot of them were unique and cool weapons that you could not find anywhere else, let alone with that level of details.

It’s still the only option for an ethereal cat form we have, just because the model isn’t different and for you is nothing special it does not mean it can’t be unique.
It still is.

Well again, this can be said for all the other artifact as well. There are people who might not give two craps about werebear but would love to get another appearance they can’t get anymore.

Giving back 1 out of 36, is stupid, lazy, unfair and totally makes no sense, because again the topic about uniqueness can be used to any of those skins. Is not just the basemodel that determine uniqueness.

Again, it is a unique model, with its very own animations. some other weapon variants you can get in other form (the flails you already have different models for which to my recollection use the unique swing animations for it) but there is none for the werebear.

You may disagree, and that is fine. It does not change the fact that the bear form is a UNIQUE model, while the cat form is a skin.

Ferals can still get many other skins back from Legion (and from cata as well) but guardian druids have no access to the unique bear form. It was why they brought it back.

They also brought in flails, which were again something unique that was only available to those paladins and warriors who did the Legion mage tower.

The werebear form is special in that regard. It is not just the skin, but the model as well. That is why they should not have removed it in the first place, or should have made it obtainable in some other form, so people have access to it.

Skins are unique as well, but they do not change anything on the model other than the visuals. A model change is completely different, and warranted it to return. They decided to bring it back through the revamped mage tower. Not the best of ideas, but it is what we have.

I forgot that place was even a thing. I think i tried it once or twice back in legion and didn’t find it fun at all and kind of forgot it was even there.

It does not change the problem one bit, given that uniqueness isn’t given only by the base model, if anything, the base model is the least important thing given that you want the visual of the skin to be unique and cool, the base model alone does not make the skin “cool”.

As you confirmed yourself:

So thanks for agreeing. And regarding this:

Lmao stop downplaying it?
Say with a straight face that " the Primal Stalker/ Moonspirit/Ghost of the Pridemother forms are nothing special because those are just made on the base model of the catform".
Pls say that with a straight face so i know i do not have to take you seriously at all.
The visual are the most important part of something. PERIOD.

If the MT skin back in Legion was “Fallen to Nightmare/Avatar of Ursol” instead of " Might of the Grizzlemaw" i can guarantee you 100% that we would be hearing the same moaning today because “OMG Blizzard that skin is so unique pls bring it back, bear has so little form is not fair”.

They should not have brought it back OR bring back a recolor for each spec.
Like this, is stupid, and the model is just an excuse.

In the end it does not matter if you think that the nyan cat form is considered unique enough to return or not. Blizzard already stated what was the reason why they bring the werebear back, and that reason is sound:

Feral mage tower form: Unique skin on base model
Guardian mage tower form: Unique skin on a unique model.

There is a reason why only the mage tower bear form and the flail returned in some form. If the feral mage tower form would have been the saberon form then chances are that would have made a return as well.

Take a seat now, and drink tea to sooth your nerves because you seem to be really bothered by opinions different than your’s. I’m out.

Dont care. Its a challenge. Get better and clear it. And it will already receive a soft nerf in one form or another in dragonflight.

Then get better and obtain it.

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Blizzard reasoning lol.
The same Blizzard that did not want to give more than 9 deck slot to HS player cause
“The average HS player would get confused about too many slot”.

Go ahead and defend this 2 IQ move of giving back 1 MT appearance out of 36, with the excuse of the model.

I despised this move since the day they announced it and it won’t be you to make me change my mind with your crappy " skins vs model" reasoning. Circle around it all you like, it’s just them being lazy. Period.

I am bothered by people that support a lazy, stupid and unfair approach to giving back MT appearances only to 1 out of the 36 specs, yes.

If that bothers you feel free to step out cause i could care less.

I… don’t have that kind of time. The gap between me and completing that challenge is too large, and I have too many other things I want to do in life. I’d be happier with a werebear, but not at this much time cost.

It’s absolutely Blizzard’s prerogative to tune their challenges, I just happen to think the bar is too damn high™ and that they’ve probably alienated more players than they pleased.

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Neither do i for the other challenges. Cba to do the tank one either despite having it done back in legion and only did the rogue one out of principle. Thats simply how it is.

Or they just keep it a challenge that people can try here and there whenever they want while at the same time its bound to get soft nerfed through stuff like the dragonflight talents anyway.

It hasn’t been through SL, seems like.

I’d like to imagine your right because - as above - original Mage Tower got more accessible as time passed. On launch it might have been a top 2% thing, but by the end it was most people who wanted a go. That would be nice.

Or, again - more flipping “limited edition” cosmetics with each expansion. Don’t just make them for Legion and then stop. It makes it feel like the best years of the game are behind us. It’s not a good feeling :pouting_cat:

There werent any major changes in Shadowlands. Also you have access to covenant abilities through the talent system in DF. Something that isnt the case currently. Also, given the lack of borrowed power systems, you also arent forced to use a class/spec that may have it harder as it lacks its covenant stuff that its build and balanced around.

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That isn’t a requirement. It’s an option. There are numerous videos of people doing it in SL gear.

It is called gid gud.
If you still struggle somehow, you can cheat your way up with BFA consumes, gems and sylvan elixir.
If you still cannot manage it despite all of that, well maybe you just don’t deserve it.

Just buy that pvp set with sockets on and best enchants then practise, it’s hard but doable.

Tbh I couldn’t do the frost one thus people kept saying it is the easiest hahaha :joy:

When were you doing it? Frost nerfs made it significantly harder compared to how it was on release. The nerfs targetted specifically what made frost so good there, which was the orb cd resetting with blizzard. When doing it recently I had a hard time keeping up a good orb uptime.

On the release actually, like couple days after.

You dont need old content gear, it can make it easier, but not a requirement just to pass the challenges

I used full PVP gear from Pandaria (including weapons) and it made it slightly easier with the added versa, but it still does not allow you to bypass mechanics

Was a purely personal choice to go that direction and you can definitely do it in just normal SL gear :smiley: