I am neither old, neither played wow for that long. I’ve been playing Classic wow for the past 2 years and a bit. So Since Wrath Classic basically. I’ve been raiding on 6-8 chars weekly, so 6-8 raids every week, for 2 years now.
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To add up, the current change benefits only 2 groups of people. Healers looking to get the staff for OS and try hard groups that would like to split their 25 guild to 2 or 3 x 10s. The old acquisition rate meant that 10 man groups would get 3 staffs through the whole phase. Now they will get 3 to 4.5 in 12 weeks. Meaning they should have 4-6 staffs by the end of the phase. What kind of a 10 man group has more than 4 caster DPS? Most have 3 range DPS, one of them could be a hunter too. But lets assume they have 3 caster DPS and 1 bench caster DPS. Thats 4 staffs. What are you gonna do with the other 2? Meanwhile 25 man raids will be raiding FL in Phase 4 to get their staffs
ok so you have people not getting a staff - not everyone got a staff back then either - you have a bigger group of players wanting them so YOU as the leader need to take charge and be clear about who isn’t getting one OR you take ownership and farm extra raids for it. You are just taking the entited approach that everyone in your group should have one and that blizzard should make accomodations, they already increased the rate at which they are acquired, it’s just 10 mans are slightly better off. We also have harder content and less other loot.
This is all you making out that you NEED to 3x10 man runs. You just want everyone to have a staff so you don’t have to be that bad guy that tells someone they can’t have one.
I honestly can’t tell if some of you are unable to use your brains or you are just mind soothed by a priest and cant see further than your nose.
First. 10 man raids don’t get just slightly more staffs compared to 25. They get almost twice as much compared to how many casters they have in their raid (3 staffs to 3 casters compared to 4 staffs to 8 casters).
Second. 10 man raids are not harder. Perhaps they are harder for you, because you don’t actually do 25 raids. Maybe get out of your comfort zone and try something new. You will learn a thing or two.
Third. You have slightly less drops per boss, which is barely noticeable. You get 2 drops and 1 token per boss, 25 man raids get 6 (now 5) drops and 3 tokens per boss. 25 man raids also have 2.5 times more healers and 3 times more DPS than 10 man raids. So overall, 25 man raids gets just slightly more loot. Since they changed it to 5 drops per boss, now 25 man raids actually get less drops than 10 man raids.
Fourth. I don’t care if 50% of the casters get their staff or 100%. They will get it in Phase 4. But why should a 10 man guild get staff to all their casters and their healers’ OS in 4 months and on the other hand a 25 man guild will need 6 months or more to get the staff for all their casters. If you aren’t seeing the issue here, I am sorry but the issue is in you.
Fifth. You are failing to understand that nobody has an issue with 10 man getting the staff as quick as of now. Nobody is comparing it to 25 or trying to make it worse than 25. But it shouldn’t be better or it shouldn’t be THAT better. Currently there’s 0 reasons to run 25 over 10 if your goal is to get as many casters with a staff. And fortunately (or not) that’s the goal for every guild that also plans to raid in DS.
Sixth. This change actually does not change anything for 10 man guilds. Unless you are running a guild with 5 casters DPS, then you do not benefit from this change at all. In fact it favors only those with 5 casters and the 25 guilds that will do 3 or 4 x 10 splits.
We’ve heard your feedback loud and clear! We’re happy that you’re excited about the recent changes to 10-player Dragonwrath acquisition rates and we want to address those who prioritize 25-player groups. We’re are increasing the acquisition rates of all quest materials in 25 Normal and Heroic difficulties:
During a 12-week period, a 25-player group killing all 7 bosses in Firelands each week can expect to fully assemble 7.5-11.25 Legendary Dragonwrath staves.
During the same 12-week period, a 10-player group killing all 7 bosses can expect to fully assemble 3-4.5 Legendary staves.
Acquisition rates in 25-player raids are now approximately 2.5x faster than those of 10-player raids.
The updated acquisition rates previously mentioned for 10 player raids are the same.
We’re adding a second guaranteed mount, the Smoldering Egg of Millagazor, to 25-Heroic Ragnaros.
Yes! Justice has been restored. Now please turn off the forums for a couple of weeks before the 10man gangs cyberbully you again into killing 25m raids
I don’t think people that play in 10man care about it too much, since we do it not because we like 10man, but we have no alternatives and would play 10 even if only 1 staff would be available.
To be fair, if Blizzard didn’t respond or listen, they’d be accused of not listening to its playerbase. And now that they are listening, they get accused of “letting babies on forum dictate things”. Sometimes I guess you can’t win, no matter what.
I think it’s a good thing they’re seemingly listening and making changes when players are voicing opinions.
