Velen has been a prophet of the naaru for many thousands of years, and it’s unlikely that he would propose such a theory without significant evidence and consideration.
Khadgar in the quest “Goddess Watch Over You”:
I was going through some ancient cosmology tomes when I stumbled upon a passage indicating that the prime Naarumay have been created by Elune during the great ordering of Light and Shadow.
Given that it’s the Tear of Elune that unlocked Light’s Heart, it’s abundantly clear that Elune and the Naaru are intimately linked, and it’s abundantly clear that the Kaldorei don’t have the entire picture when it comes to who and what Elune is.
I never said otherwise. Blizzard have also said and proven that Elune and the Naaru are linked. The two aren’t mutually exclusive so I’m not sure what your counterpoint is.
I’m saying that the Kaldorei don’t have the whole picture of what Elune is, because she’s obviously much more than “just” a moon-goddess. Her tears are Titan artifacts, she’s been linked to the very ordering of existence, may have created the Naaru and has a relationship to them that was obvious to Velen. Sure, he’s wrong in thinking she’s a Naaru, but the fact he could propose such a theory displays how obvious it is to him that Elune and the Naaru are related - and the relationship between the two has been expanded on since, in lore.
I don’t recall the Kaldorei having any knowledge at all on the Naaru prior to the draenei’s arrival, and thereore the Kaldorei cannot have the full scope of Elune given the links between Elune and the Naaru.
If I recal correctly, though, Velen only thought they (the Naaru) and Elune shared similar traits. But I don’t think he alluded to the way their magic works.
He does seem to be right about there being a connection in the end, but it was simply a suggestion of him based on Elune’s relation to the Night Elves, rather than some obvious relation to the Naaru.
I still think it’s rather funny how Khadgar conveniently reads in some (old) book how Elune might have created the Naaru, when not a single night elf ever made such a connection (unless said book was of night elven origin).
Yea, even more funny when you remeber the Kaldorei used to have a device that allowed direct communication with Elune. Or how not a single Naaru in the past 25.000 years informed the Draenei that their is that Goddess with a direct connection to either our creation or our powers on that planet(not even when they crash landed on it).
But in all seriousness; I know it is an old meme, but still sadly very viable; nothing compares to Human potential™. They have entire books about stuff neither the Draenei, nor then Night Elver nor the Wild-Gods nor the Naaru ever thought about…
Most magical classes can draw on multiple realms of magic: priests have Light and Shadow, mages use both Arcane and Fire/Frost (and Time).
Druids tap into Nature magic, as well as the power of the stars. Shamans also use Nature magic, but they also use Elemental forces (which are distinct from mage Fire), and can also use Death magic to commune with spirits. Interestingly in WoD we see Orcish shamans communing with the stars as well, so perhaps there’s some overlap there too.
I generally get the feeling Druids are way more specialized to almost exclusively Nature magic, getting their powers from the Emerald Dream. Shamans are a lot wider, having access to four different types of Elements, before even going into the Death, Nature and potential Shadow magicks.
I would say if we’re looking purely at Nature stuff (healing, restoration), then Druids win hands down. If you’re looking overall, then it becomes situational, with Shamans definitely having more versatility; I don’t think there’s a clear difference in power level there.
I do also find it interesting how many elements AND Shadow shamans can tap into; this is actually very similar to mages, who can study Shadow, Death, Nature, etc. as well. Makes me think shamans really might just be a more primitive or naturalistic version of Mages.
I wouldnt call shamans mages because mages require control and not communion unlike the shamans who do communicate. I also dont think that a shaman can really “control” an element unless they use dark magic because from what was proposed here they ask for the elements for help and at most, with having their spirit linked to the world spirit maybe can manipulate the elements to reveal their power but probably not command them to it (unless the elements regard the shaman as a higher elemental in their hierarchy ? ).
In my mind if a strong druid and a strong shaman fight maybe at first the world would respond but when “it” will figures out what is going on it will stop and both will lose their power. Because “for shame” for the both of them that they use the world for their own gain like this especially against another “world messenger”.
They then understand how pety they have been and peace is restored, they are now best friends
Like i said, dark magic, but i guess you just mean they use some sort of coercion that normal shamans avoid using.
I wander how it works, do they drain the elements of their spirit, making them more base and raging (like on primal draenor)?
Do they force their will on them somehow or threaten to destroy them and what gives them power?
Do they use other elements against them?
‘‘The dark shaman is a dark version of a shaman, forcing the elements into servitude by using Decay, twisting them into burned-out ash, corrupted waters, and toxic air.’’
‘‘The Iron Horde’s dark shaman are of the Warsong Clan, and use the Void to enslave the elements.’’
There’s different approaches. Taunka shaman seem to straddle the line in that they seem to bully the elements to do what they say, but don’t use dark magic to do it.
Best analogy I have is orcish shaman is friendly handshake+handholding, goblin shaman are boardroom (or backroom) negotiations and taunka shaman are arm wrestling contests.
