Easiest fix for premade problems

[Magmi-living-flame]

@Lamborgimli-pyrewood-village

yeah everybody know it’s the end of the world to not be exalted Warsong in the fastest easy way

your just trolling at this point. we arent talking rep farmers.

a % of players who want to play WSG will premade because the other option is to be farmed.

[Lamborgimli-pyrewood-village]

so why not add separate queues? the people who queue with 10 should fight other who queue with 10 people

@Belz-stitches

Just make 2 queues.

One for people that goes in as solo and up to 4 people.

And one queue for people that goes in as a team of 5 up to a team of 10.

This will make it better for the solo players and for the ones that just plays with a friend or 2.

And for the bigger teams it makes it abit more even where a good team of 5 could beat a weaker team of 10.

[Edit]
If people was wondering what to do if its 6-9 people. Best thing would be not to allow a group of 6-9 people.
It should give an error message saying “Your team need to either be of 5 or 10 players”.

this is the formula

[Magmi-living-flame]

@Lamborgimli-pyrewood-village

so why not add separate queues? the people who queue with 10 should fight other who queue with 10 people

I simply said i think theres better systems that exist currently that fit better.

also if u honestly think i beleive blizzard wont Do something stupid regarding seperate queues, i think you lack experience. they’ll prolly make Premades earn more honro or some rubbish.

@Lamborgimli-pyrewood-village

this is the formula

yeah no.

If they’re gonna do solo, litterally only solo.

Idont need to see people carrying 2 Pocket healers into the Instances with them,

[Lamborgimli-pyrewood-village]

@Belz-stitches

Just make 2 queues.

One for people that goes in as solo and up to 4 people.

And one queue for people that goes in as a team of 5 up to a team of 10.

This will make it better for the solo players and for the ones that just plays with a friend or 2.

And for the bigger teams it makes it abit more even where a good team of 5 could beat a weaker team of 10.

[Edit]
If people was wondering what to do if its 6-9 people. Best thing would be not to allow a group of 6-9 people.
It should give an error message saying “Your team need to either be of 5 or 10 players”.

this formula deserve a try, even for 1month and we see if it’s jackpot or not

[Magmi-living-flame]

@Lamborgimli-pyrewood-village

this formula deserve a try, even for 1month and we see if it’s jackpot or not

Im sorry, but 2 Complete PuGs, One with a bunch of healers and one without. the One with will win.

you can say “but yo, theres counters” but If people start taking that up. ur gonna be on teams with like 6 healers and games are gonna be heavy stalemates… If ur gonna do solo. just do solo…

[Brainfreezed-golemagg]

As far as I understand, the reason why Blizzard don’t wanna do seperate queues is because the people playing premades would get long queues, especially when there will be more than 1 BG available.

So far the best solution I’ve read by the community is to just make the “premade queue” same-faction. They did that back in 2019, and community approved it. I don’t see why they wont now. This would greatly reduce the queue time for premades, as well as make people who want to queue solo being matched with 19 other solo players.

[Lamborgimli-pyrewood-village]

@Magmi-living-flame

Im sorry, but 2 Complete PuGs, One with a bunch of healers and one without. the One with will win.

this is the game… win or lose…

but it’s not gonna be 10players with full Bi$ / Discord / consumables, against 10 randoms

[Lamborgimli-pyrewood-village]

@Brainfreezed-golemagg

So far the best solution I’ve read by the community is to just make the “premade queue” same-faction.

i don’t see what is cool to have a 10sec queue for get a 5min rep/farm at GY and repeat again and again

same faction BGs for the premade vs premade’s queue can be a solution for the people who are scared to have 5min to wait, but i don’t love it

[Magmi-living-flame]

@Lamborgimli-pyrewood-village

but it’s not gonna be 10players with full Bi$ / Discord / consumables, against 10 randoms

Still just as annoying though.

[Lamborgimli-pyrewood-village]

Oh so playing CounterStrike without an auto-headshot mod is boring?

→ premades currently have an “auto-headshot mod” actived
→ while randoms just get rolled on without a chance to fight back

[Magmi-living-flame]

@Lamborgimli-pyrewood-village

Oh so playing CounterStrike without an auto-headshot mod is boring?

→ premades currently have an “auto-headshot mod” actived
→ while randoms just get rolled on without a chance to fight back

Again. not what i stated?.. litterally do you actually read, or just reply blind folded?

I never stated “wsg is boring without premades”. I stated, It’s going to be equally as annoying if we end up with runs with 5 healers in, because players stacking healers in minor premades.

I simply stated. Make WSG actually solo.

[Lamborgimli-pyrewood-village]

@Magmi-living-flame

you can say “but yo, theres counters” but If people start taking that up. ur gonna be on teams with like 6 healers and games are gonna be heavy stalemates… If ur gonna do solo. just do solo…

yeah, i understand
but solo only still can match you in a team of 10healers too
so the “formula” i quoted before is the best way to have a good variable

[Lamborgimli-pyrewood-village]

@Brainfreezed-golemagg

the reason why Blizzard don’t wanna do seperate queues is because the people playing premades would get long queues, especially when there will be more than 1 BG available.

a reason why i have a lot of respect for Russian’s gameplay is, they don’t play only for fast queues and fast rewards

when we faced them in BGs, it was a real endurance match (2019 to TBCc), as Tennis players who don’t give up at the first set

premades would get long queues is not a good excuse, they just want stomp PuGs, easy

(SoD’s unbalance is too new to have the same spirit of a good match, so something have to be done with the matchmaking)

[Magmi-living-flame]

@Lamborgimli-pyrewood-village

yeah, i understand
but solo only still can match you in a team of 10healers too
so the “formula” i quoted before is the best way to have a good variable

But the likelyhood is minimal, how many pugs do you see with priests? Dps outnumber by such a quantity the likelyhood of even having a healer is low.

Blizzard at the end of the day will do what they do, its largely irrelevent.

They could do wotlk systems, they could do seperate queues, heck they could move premades to a ranked system which obly reward is litterally ranking.

Who realistically knows. I know josh was fairly against the concept of seperated queues, and they were looking at otjer options. I dont rly keep up with tweets and overall i have very little care.

It doesnt annoy me going against a premade i have sheer lack of care to the situation in all honesty.

If they wanna do seperate queues aknowledge one will die, and while you may want to believe “its obviously gonna be premades” and may be, theres a possibility of the polar opposite, being teamed with people within 5 levels of urself, any gear and specc any build with no control can be infuriating and i see people in pugs going mental over low geared players costing em games.

And if pugs die, the efforts for nothing really.

But we shall see. If they change anything for season 2 we are only a few weeks away.

[Lamborgimli-pyrewood-village]

it can’t be perfect everytime,
just a bit more fair.

the Devs announced a change for phase 2’s matchmaking on US forums/tweets

wait and see, little mage

[Lurkykiller-earthshaker]

@Lamborgimli-pyrewood-village

people are exalted (with easy Ashenvale event boost) and now have to wait ~1year to get the exalted rewards…

?

2 weeks m8. epic bracers with crazy stats at 40

[Zede-bloodscalp]

@Lurkykiller-earthshaker

2 weeks m8. epic bracers with crazy stats at 40

a certain % of the solo crowd are convinced as they are ‘not’ in the game yet they never will be. Bizarre but true.

[Hargrave-living-flame]

I have a close friend who knows Yangkai IRL. He is a 35-year-old male who spends day in and day out browsing this forum to ensure everything is in order while he cashes in on the monthly welfare checks the government provides him.

[Lurkykiller-earthshaker]

@Zede-bloodscalp

a certain % of the solo crowd are convinced as they are ‘not’ in the game yet they never will be. Bizarre but true.

ok. weird idea as they are classic but thats them. i know better

[Blackwing-chaos-bolt]

This suggestion is basically “Rated Battlegrounds” but without arena gear. It’s a good one.

Separate the queues.
If you like premade games, you still get to play them.
If you like PuG games, you still get to play them.
If you like farming other players like they’re mobs because there’s no way random teams with no class balance, fresh-dinged green gear (because this is literally where you’re meant to earn pvp gear and no premade would take them) and no strategy or communication can win, then go back to PvE because that’s what a PuG vs. Premade game feels like.