It’s same for every class who has a heal since they lose either global or needs to cast it, while dks have it instantly so the resource cost is justified.
And yeah with the rp generation essence and the buff to chill streak fdk got a buff.
Seen smexxin playing tsg with fdk on 3k+ mmr so yeah they arrent that bad as youre making them out
I mean don’t get me wrong all of you here, I think Frost has been always a braindead spec and I don’t disagree with that, altough in PvE right now trash BoS playstyle requires more planning than most of the specs have to do. I enjoy playing both DK DPS specs, altough it’s hard with BfA class design, but I can switch to unholy if it’s meta again. I’m not Frost only player, I’m just trying to make it work now.
Still tho, unless there’s another balancing happening, Frost is still trash you won’t see on higher ratings so you can be happy. Personally I’m tired of playing unholy but I guess I’ll have to stick with it. Also. this insane Frost healing I responded to, or huge DPS on stacked enemies. That was the thing even before 8.2., I don’t know why you’re acting Frost got some huge buffs. You saw Frost changes not knowing what they mean and you think they’re OP now.
I’m curious tho, what people calling Frost braindead play. Seriously, I am, because I haven’t found a single DPS spec in BfA that would be somehow hard, yet people don’t want Frost to be competitive.
Yup that’s true, only if frost/unholy would have to deal with runne management again how they had it back in wod.
BoS was by far the most enjoyable playstyle I had on my dk pve wise, because you actually had to manage the resources you had and it was quite hard back them to keep up a 30-35 sec BoS, but sadly they removed it from uh and gimped the class even further with making only a single type of rune. It’s small things but it still made a difference.
What are you even talking about, unholy can spam death strike without losing much DPS in arenas. Frost can’t. That’s my point.
Essence I was talking about is useless for Oblit build that’s still used in PvP. That essence only helps Frost in PvE for BoS build, but nice try.
And some players made Frost work even before 8.2. on higher ranks, again if you have bothered with reading my comment I said Frost DPS tank was a thing. People still don’t take Frost for it’s DPS.
And in 2s it’s unplayable, but you’re free to prove me wrong. Try playing Frost in 2s on 2.1k+ and tell me it’s OP.
I won’t ever touch a dk again because it’s disgusting in its current format and don’t wanna make myself puke while playing sorry
This is because Frost got some insane buffs, sir. You’re welcome.
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Feel free to try it on 2k+ in 2s as I did and show me those insane buffs then.
Are you unable to do it yourself ? Also did you wrote what the monk said about frost at high rating ? And last thing we’re in between two seasons with locked leaderboards and essences to farm, arena participation right now after such a disatrous season is extremely low so we don’t see a lot of people experimentating what’s new. Just wait for the season to start and you’ll see. I don’t know if you remember what happened to Frost DKs after the same kind of buffs back in Legion ? Look it up.
Can you read or is it something too much to ask from you? I don’t know why you ask if I “wrote”, but yes I read what monk said. And I responded to him. I’ve said many times in this thread I’ve been trying to make Frost work since 8.2. but I haven’t seen any success with it so far outside of random arenas and random BGs. This is the reason why I said, prove me wrong because I’ve already dropped from 2.3k to 2.1k by trying Frost offseason, so I’m asking you, obviously a better player to do it and prove me wrong. Then you ask “Are you unable to do it yourself ?” I’m thinking why do I even bother with explaining something. How about asking on DK discord if you think Frost is so broken now?
I remember what happened to Frost DK in 7.3., why would I have to look it up? This is what happened, this was it’s first garbage rework before the next BfA garbage rework that made the spec unfun to play. And they also broke it, yay. And then they nerfed it so much it still has 80% dmg reduction on Obliterate and most of it’s spells, since Legion by the way. Which other spec has it? Most of the people here don’t even know that, because they obviously don’t play Frost and they forgot what abilities that spec even has, but they got hit by Chill Streak when they were stacked, holy hell Frost is broken now. And no, essences seriously won’t help to that.
I find it funny it’s rogues, warlocks crying about something being OP. Seriously, assassination rogue, basically as braindead as Frost. How do you like the new essences? That broke your spec even more? I really like it on my rogue, not gonna lie. Tell me one time when rogues were just as terrible as DKs during season 1, I’ll wait.
its not even worth discussing with you, frost is pretty goodish at the moment, but it seems like you are just to trash to play it properly
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Another warlock? Nice. Don’t worry I think the same thing about your comment, not providing any arguments and just crying because Chill Streak was bouncing between you and your pet and killed you. But keep calling me trash, without even trying the spec. You’re trash if you got killed by Frost on your rating if anything.
if you scroll up you can clearly see that i tried the specc myself, but most be hard to read - you are clearly playing the whole specc wrong if you cant play it on 2.1
Well yeah, UH, and especially UH with CoS items, was destroying anything especially in 2s which is the only bracket you play on that DK. Spec out of it, , have CoS items nerfed, and it’s harder. Hard life.
Rogues have a lot, and I mean a lot, of spells that are nerfed in PvP too. Want a list ?
Only Fury Warrior is as braindead as Frost. Op and braindead are two different things. Frost is braindead. Op, we don’t know yet.
Idk, having a little AR as assa makes one more burst but you know that’s not the best essence we can get. The interesting ones are locked behind Season 3.
You won’t wait long… Ever tried to play Sub or Outlaw in s1, or in s2 aside from sub fire in the very balanced bracket that is 2s ? Guess not. You should have !
It must be hard for you to read obviously, I provided the reasons why I think it’s bad and then you come and say “hur hur ur trash”. And all you tried Frost as 380 ilvl, killed someone and now it’s OP. Again, if you have bothered with reading my previous comments, what you described was possible even before 8.2. I explained why Frost still sucks.
But all you want to hear “Frost OP” so yeah, it’s not worth discussing with you.
i never said they are op, i said they are goodish, 12k st-dps with 380 total ilevel and 325 weapons in instanced pvp is really good, you either dont know how to use your cooldowns correct with eachother or you are just mechanicaly on the level of a uhdk by knowing to only press one button
Christ I’m done, it’s rogue thinking assassination actually takes any skill and it’s less braindead than Frost.
And yes, I tried sub or outlaw in season 1. I rogue is my most played char, you don’t have to act like you know rogues the best. I know what spells they have still nerfed. The only spec that still suffers from Legion templates is sub. Outlaw is bad too in PvP, but it’s been god tier in PvE for months now and Outlaw being trash in PvP doesn’t have to do anything with Legion templates.
Yet it’s not hurting them nearly as much as DKs because the only thing that was keeping assassination balanced in Legion were stat templates. I hated them but it’s true. When they were removed in prepatch, assa was destroying the game again, just like in Legion prepatch. Outlaw was fine until Deadshot nerfs and actually pretty fun. Sub was overnerfed too much, I’d rather see assassination nerfed into the oblivion. But sub got some buffs already.
So again, you obviously haven’t bothered with reading any of my comments, so I’m not going to waste my time. Frost was able to do 12k ST DPS in arenas as 380 even before 8.2., big news right? Chill streak was hitting strong even before, Gathering Storm is still the same. Oblit is still the same. These things provided to Frost insane cleave.
The only person here who doesn’t understand Frost mechanicaly is you.
What I don’t get: If something was even strong before and now they buffed it, why are you complaining about people who are upset about it?!
Defending buffed broken stuff with “it was already broken before” is like defending a killer with “he already killed people before”. Sounds stupid to me, not sure about you tho…
Oh right, so it sounds stupid to you, remind me again how many Frost DKs were on the arena ladder in season 2 or season 1? Another person that doesn’t bother with reading previous comments and thinks big DPS in random arenas as Frost equals to spec being OP.
Never said that, but dmg seems to be op?! But people haven’t played frost just by the simple fact, that Unholy (necrotic strike) was just much better. To use that as a defense for 17k st dps is stupid, especially since he also deals good aoe!
But hey, pretty sure you wouldn’t say a word if they buff affli to 50k aoe dps in arena, just because he was barely seen in s1 or s2, right? 
So no, I’m not standing here and say FDK is op, but if the dmg was already good before as you mentioned, dmg was obviously not the reason why FDK wasn’t played. So is it a good idea to buff the dmg (that was already good before) to insanity instead of getting rid of the real issues (or at least reduce them a bit)?
Again, defending overtuned dps with “dmg was already good before” is just stupid!