And if we disagree with you?
Exactly, there are people that dont play HPALA+GDRUID+SP+AUG+MAGE and still are 3000-3500 io and this is a fact :D.
Problem is not the meta but the HEALER SHORTAGE.
Which means that META CHARACTERS get to play WAY MORE keys than the average NON meta player.
How to fix that? PEOPLE NEED TO REROLL HEALERS. There are already ENOUGH dps to fill plenty of keys, we lack healers (and yes i play 2 healers part time).
Yesterday i listed a 23 underrot key with a friend tank. I had over 30 dps apply till i had the first healer apply. This is an issue and its not the meta.
I pug most of mine, and the leaders almost always want a spriest and augvoker (luckily the 2nd of these is me).
Doesnât stop anyone from seeing how rubbish a meta this strong is for most players. The OPâs idea of boycotting streamers over it is just silly, tbh. They have nothing to do with the problem.
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You must be now in pretty high keys too! 
The irony, I donât see you reroll healer yourself, but want others to do that.
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Regarding Timmy, thatâs how lots of people are. People take the easiest option.
Itâs like how people drive for 1 minute to get to the village shop to avoid walking for 3 minutes in a row.
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Iâm not saying there canât be more balance but there will always be something that is the meta.
I guess you are probably certified blind because i wrote: â(and yes i play 2 healers part time)â
I play shadow and holy if needed, i started my gearing up as holy played many many keys then i switched to shadow once i had all my bis gear.
My monk i recrafted my gear to MW stats due to raid hiatus and i play keys as mistweaver. I liked this spec, i have raided many times as mistweaver just we had extra healers this time and i had to dps.
Since 10.1.5 i play only MW keys my monk. I timed few 20s, its not a big deal.
BTW mistweaver is worst healer this season and probably worst healer last season and the season before etc. The only difference with holy priest they share D tier with is that priest can play disco, i have to tank.
I have healed 55 keys (combined 2 chars) tanked 60 keys, and played around 50 as shadow 15 as ww.
Trying to get some 22s and 23s done this week, so⌠medium high? I guess a lot of people stop at 20, but âhighâ tends to mean like 25+ 
Unfortunately the current affixes are making for a lot of disbands and turns out itâs a very different mindset in this level of gameplay vs the âjust get the highest you can for the vaultâ. Nobody in pugs stays to finish anything 21 or above if the timer is going to be missed, and fortified bolstering is causing large numbers of tank deaths and/or slow progress.
That said, I havenât had much of the legendary âtoxicityâ. People are not particularly rude, and most leavers do so saying âsorry I needed this timedâ. Or they just go silently. Occasionally you get someone whoâs a bit sarcastic with how they say things, but there isnât the overall level of it that I had expected.
If nothing else, the last 3 weeks have been a really interesting study in how the game plays beyond 20s 
Entirely true; itâs just that the meta is quite strong right now.
The synergies in the meta comp and its response to the current dungeons are just a bit too good to be ignored. Itâs unfortunately not a case of that top 1% of players looking for that 1% extra performance and being prepared to reroll for it; itâs something so big that players at every level can benefit significantly.
I just hope Blizz fix it by adjusting dungeon mechanics (reducing the need for MD and bleed removals) and bringing other healers up to holy paladin levels (quickly!), rather than by hammering the meta specs into the dust without actually understanding why that setup is as strong as it is.
Haha, well we are pushing and trying to get our first +22 timed 
So you got a keylevel higher now at least! Well done
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You are spot on. Above 21 you just do it for score. Time is money and there is no need to stay in a key that wonât be timed. You donât get score and keyholder still gets a key 1 level lower. Its a mutual agreement to abandon the run and try lower one or go for another key.
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I think it is unfortunate blizz changed the out of time scores for runs above +20. I always valued it when i am pushing keys, getting a finish on 1 minute over the timer on a new keylevel.
Indeed, and itâs starting to get quite hard now 
I know people are looking down on augvoker as a 2-button faceroll spec that is the I.W.I.N button incarnate, but⌠you can die on augvoker for all the same reasons as on any other spec. And an augvoker who keeps dying depletes the key just like any other dps who keeps dying.
So if nothing else, I feel like I have learned to keep myself alive, while not being the healer, which is nice. Whether I play optimally is not clear, but at least my uptime is good so my opportunities for learning are high.
Itâs nice that it is rotationally simple because I can focus on dungeon mechanics and reacting to other playersâ cooldowns and supporting the healer at the right moments rather than tracking a bunch of small cooldowns and interactions. It has given me a new appreciation for specs that arenât too complicated. Low skill floors make me happy because I end up fighting the dungeons rather than the spec.
If only I liked the theme of demon hunters they might be my ideal melee spec, but I kind of hate the visuals 
Maybe I will give my hunter some love again, if they ever buff BM properly
Oh yeah, I get it completely. Donât step into this realm of gameplay if you only have time for 1-4 vault runs in your week, or unless you have a good reliable team who always finishes regardless of the timer. I shouldnât have been surprised because it does make sense 
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Why would I want to cancel my sub when Iâm having so much fun in M+ on my hunter?
The whole support class thing just seems a bad idea, but I know many were excited to get it.
saw a lot of videos on youtube complaining because their comp cant do +30 keys like the exodia can and now fall off the title requirement rio.
i mean it sucks that a mage is far better than any other dps but i couldnât care less. these people have no life
I am one of those who were excited for it
Itâs a shame itâs launched how it has and given so many other players such stress. I wish Blizz had unleashed it along with 2-3 other support specs for other classes, plus distributing some MDs and bleed dispels. Any class that uses fire magic might get a button to cauterize an ally, for example, and monks and warlocks already have some non-healer magic dispels so maybe widen those to be AoE effects. Give warriors another shout or two, let rogues dose someone with herbal colagulants, idk, Iâm just rambling shower thoughts now.
The current setup is just a perfect storm for a strong meta that locks a lot of players out of pugging. Really hoping Blizzard fix it properly, rather than just big numerical nerfs. Understanding why the meta exists is important to doing that.
Hunter is the best class.
Whatever is ur favorite is the best class :D,
His post litterally says he has 2 healers as a alt that he plays.
Make a new hunter spec that allows me to heal via my pets and you have a deal. 
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