Its so dumb that this isnt punishable.
Ah I see 
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Sadly, these slimeballs have free reign. Nothing that can be done.
Iâve just explained you the main reason why 95% of kicks are done and you go back to philosophy about human behaviour. DPS is the main reason. How many LFG dungeons/raids you did where you needed to observe all what you described above, so that you conclude that you need to kick that person? 0 (ZERO).
WellâŚi triedâŚit seems itâs pointless.
Btw, nice try. I like how you tried to âtwistâ your reply, by basically giving there a description of how you see me. I donât care.
Well when someone complains that she/he was âharassedâ in a online environment, where he chosed to be and nobody forced him and still has the option to leave that environment, how you describe that?
We all bear responsibility in how we interact with the world, but the primary responsibility in that situation lies with the person being abusive, not the person who is being abused.
You can, and should be cognizent on what your current capacity for dealign with that stuff is and act accordingly, but it is hard to immediately back down from a conflict where you ostensibly did nothing wrong.
Fully shifting the responsibility from man-children or other sort of unhinged people to the people they decide to take a jab at is not something I consider good conduct. The person who is at the root of the issue should ideally be the one that is mandated to deal with the issue first and foremost.
Insulating yourself from all the negativity in your surroundings is both unrealistic and unsustainable, it works on the short-term, but it will never fix the underlying issue, namely, the person practicing abusive behaviour.
Maybe people wouldnât act so callously if there were actual consequences for their conduct. ÂŻ_(ă)_/ÂŻ
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Mate let me put it this way: some of you are ridiculous. This topic is something like this example : you go to a boxing match and then you criticize why people beat each-other for a belt and that you find that too brutal.
Same is the internet: itâs inevitable to not find at least 1 guy who will be mean, rude,etc. That doesnât mean you canât avoid it. But some of you, like this environment, where you go in toxic places (usually forums) and play the victim card. You get the idea now?
Yeah it shouldnât really, itâs like taking out a few drops of water from an ocean.
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Why blame the non toxic person, instead of the toxic person? Whatâs the excessive need to be toxic exactly? I personally donât want to read threads of people just arguing with each other for the sake of it. Nothing to do with being âoffendedâ I have very thick skin. Itâs got nothing to do with it.
What would you do if I was being toxic to your mother at the store? You get annoyed and I tell you, Well this place is toxic she doensât need to go in there, itâs her choice. She can âjust get over itâ
If someone wants a forum with zero rules, Go make a forum? Try have a conversation on a forum like that, itâs impossible.
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Forums arenât innately âtoxicâ, especially forums such as these are intended for feedback and discussion about the game.
Moaning about people who want the discussion not to devolve seems a bit counterproductive to me if you want the function of said boards to remain somewhere in the âfeedback/advice/discussionâ ballpark.
When I go for a drive, I donât go there with the preconception of needing to deal with roadrage every 2 minutes, or needing to deal with people sweeping me with their muzzle at a shooting range.
Both are something I have to take into account, but itâs not the experience that I would expect or want to completely offload the responsibility of to myself.
I also find the whole idea labeling people who want moderation as âself-victimizingâ a little bit hypocritical when the loudest martyrs are the ones crying about how theyâre being silenced or how they cannot practice freedom of speech.
Which is even more funny when you can be extremely critical of almost anything on these forums and be just fine, as long as you donât ad hom or otherwise obfuscate the topic/convo.
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I have kicked people from various dungeons for all the bad behaviour I have described. NEVER have I kicked someone for low dps in a levelling dungeon if they are actually trying and keeping up with the group.
There are no statistics available for dungeon kicks. But I could make some up off the top of my head too 
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Either i am the most lucky guy in WoW or you have a issue. From all my hundreds of PUG/LFG dungeons/raids i did in my WoW history, i never encountered the issues you described:
The only two reasons when someone was kicked from the group where either too low DPS/HEAL (that was 95% of cases) or in very rare exceptions AFK too much. In ultra-rare ocasions (i think it happened to me 2-3 times) was when a player was going bersek mode, meaning pulling too many mobs or going alone ahead.
But i never encountered situations where a player was removed because he was too critical, too complaining, verbally aggressive with the group in chat or making bad jokes. Almost 90% of the dungeons/raids i did, people where not even talking in chat, except pull timers.
I think the issue is you: your sensitivity level is too high and anything can trigger you. Or maybe youâre right, things you described is a common behaviour in WoW and i really am the most lucky player in WoW.
Been playing since TBC and been using the LFD system since it was introduced at the end of Wrath.
And? Because i donât understand where you want to go with this.
And btw, iâve been playing since Lich King, with breaks obviously. So what?
Iâve done a lot of dungeons with a lot of people.
And? Go onâŚitâs interestingâŚ
Iâm not sure what you are trying to achieve? You donât understand?
I donât try nothing. You try. You try to generalise and say that people do that and this, when actually is quite the opposite. Behaviours like you described happens once in a few hundred times and the probability that you encounter such a case is even lower, yet you generalise them and describe them as usual daily behaviours.
Thatâs why, you didnât contradicted my previous comment, because you knew i was right and you continued with the âi play since bla blaâ instead.
Blizzard left too much âspaceâ for abuse regarding the LFG system and they need to set some strict rules. I am amazed how they didnât do that until now, especially that they are known to put a lot of attention to details. And small details like kick abuse, deserter, etc needs to be fixed.
Oh I see only your experience is fact.
Thatâs what your silly comments were.
I actually only clarified how long Iâve been playing this game as you seemed to question my experience of dungeons.
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No is not. Where did i say that?
I didnât question your experience of dungeons how pro or noob you are. I questioned your reply where you said that you kicked many players because of the reasons mentioned above (critical, complaining, aggressive behaviour, bad jokes). Thatâs why i was also careful and mentioned even that:
But i doubt that (me lucky).
Yes, maybe you encountered a very rare case of behaviour like you described, but you canât generalise that. And by the way you talked about that, it was like you encounter these types of behaviours on daily basis. And that i disagree.
Come with a fact: you did x number of dungeons and you met x number of people out of x number of dungeons. I highly doubt that the percentage of bad examples is high, unless, as i said above, your sensitivity level is too high and anything wrong can âangerâ you.
Why normalise toxicity like this on the Internet, though? Why is it wrong to expect a basic level of empathy from strangers - but rather expect everyone you encounter to be negative just because âanons will be anonsâ? Why should I queue in an RDF constantly nervous that Iâll be kicked out for making mistakes because of my disability or be flamed?
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