So we have a difference of opinion.
Stop demanding answers of me and treating me like I just shot your dog for no good reason. I came for debate, not interrogation.
And in order for the debate to be facilitated, I’ve been asking you for citations as to why you believe the OG 5 are more powerful than other paladins.
Not that I can really blame anyone for thinking that when Blizzard insists on everything that wears plate and wields the Light being a paladin.
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take a break lmao
Yup! They can have all the experience and magic they could have, but even Veterans get unlucky or overwhelmed, or make mistakes.
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I could see an argument be made that the LF are simply more adept at wielding the Light (fairly sure this is confirmed in a Thousand Years of War) and anticipating what any certain type of demon might do in combat.
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Daily reminder that the super awesomest light space marines got owned by three tiki masks controlled by a murder hobo
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Tbf you can say that about every race who’s soldiers were beaten in wierd and wacky questlines.
(… but those masks are a source of great shame and humiliation that haunts us to this day 
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Cast Exorcism on the Demon Dog. Demon Dog melts.
I find the idea of a fel hound consuming the Light silly. Light and demons don’t mix. It’s like a fire elemental trying to drink water, it’s not going to end well.
What about demons that use Light Spells?
And if there isn’t enough water, it just turns to steam. Size and concentration matter.
Light and undead don’t mix, but here we are.
They don’t mix well, but they can.
In both cases.
Some people like a little bit of a burn… looking at the Shivarra.
Probably more powerful than the average silver hand paladin just based off their feats/accomplishments, not to say they 100% are the most powerful paladins in history (Even though its pretty much confirmed, as Lore figures > rando npcs generally) Turalyon would for sure get the average Paladin in a headlock and take his lunch money, as would Uther or Tirion, Uther bested Arthas who would likely have received far superior training than the average Paladin, being an heir apparent of a military themed Kingdom ect, for example, I wouldnt rp a Paladin and assume my Paladin was on the same level as a Turalyon or Uther or Tirion, or Alexandros Mograine, maybe I’ve missed something in this debate however.
Edit: To add, we’ve seen in WoW the very top Lore Figures are better than everyone else ect, they dont get to that spot in society by being average
Ghormisa made the claim that the five OG paladins were innately more powerful because of how they were made, I made the counterpoint that every paladin undergoes an identical ritual and so asked what would have innately made the first five paladins more powerful. Their legendary status is based on their feats and accomplishments, hence the hypothetical question of why no one else could grow to overpower them.
Lordaeron is as far from a military themed kingdom as it could be without being demilitarised. It’s more of a holy themed kingdom, if anything - Terenas received little to no training, as we’re told he wasn’t a fighter or warrior in Tides of Darkness and Chronicle 2. But Arthas received no training other than sparring with Varian when they were both kids, until he had a chance encounter with Muradin who saw him banging a training dummy with a wooden sword and went “If you’re going to hit someone with a sword, you’re going to hit them right.” He was then trained by Muradin and later on Uther.
Uther besting Arthas had more to do with Arthas’ mindset at the time of their duel, as he then easily wears Uther down after recollecting himself and recalling Muradin’s training.
I at one point explicitly said you shouldn’t do this.
Right, so sparring with Varian who goes on to argubly be the most accomplished and maybe the most talented human warrior in history, trained with Muradin, another gigachad and then Uther, thats some significantly better sparring partners/mentors than the average Paladin would recieve, I agree that the idea their ritual was different or w/e is nonsense, all Paladins go through the same thing, my thing is though not all Paladins would have as great as mentors/trainers/sparring partners as the people at the top of society, Uther…Arthas…Turalyon ect, Turalyon had Uther and Anduin Lothar as a mentor, Arthas had fantastic mentors, the average Paladin wouldnt have such, I also agree that their legendary status impacts how they are seen like…regarding power/skill level ect, and there is a chance another few unknown Paladins out there may be just as gifted or even more so, but it is a very risky/sketchy af idea to ever rp a char as being on the same level or better than uber Lore figures like Uthar/Turalyon ect, its like rping a mage and saying your mage is more talented than a Khadger or Antonidas, yeah sure you could justify it, but its sketchy af, the lore figures imo kinda serve as the “cap” of whats acceptable in power levels, and we rp’ers shouldnt strive to be on the same level or better than imo, but to each their own, I do agree though that realistically there would be some on that level or better and just not as well known, if thats a char concept you would like to roll with, fair enough, I cant see it being taken well by most though, Lore Figures generally are the cap on power level from what Ive seen.
I know. That’s why I also repeatedly said the question of whether or not a paladin could be stronger than the first five paladins was hypothetical: the ritual is identical, but these men fought in countless battles and were already noteworthy fighters before they were made paladins. And, again, I also said this doesn’t mean someone should RP their character as being stronger than them.
Except for Turalyon. Turalyon is the exception amongst them. He wasn’t a fighter, he wasn’t a knight, he didn’t truly embrace the Light as a paladin until Anduin lothar’s death.
Ahh yes I get ya, I thought I had some wire crossed there possibly, I agree, there isnt any actual real sensible reason that another paladin couldnt achieve the same level of skill/power as the OGs, and I also agree that just because there isnt any real reason why not, doesnt mean we should strive to be on the same level xD, in truth most paladins/warriors at this point have experienced more war in the last 15 years than Uther or Anduin Lothar ever did, just one of those things really, the Lore figures are mighty and great ect ect and all us mere ants are to admire how epic they are whilste accepting we arent quite as epic.
Edit: Just like 20k years old Draenei Mages have to accept they simply arent as clever or talented than…what…30 year old Jaina?
37 or something like that but she’s a prodigy like those bad RPers we all love to hate.
The lore and writing has never respected that the long lived rivals of mankind could easily accumulate more knowledge, wealth and power individually than a whole human dynasty.
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Legit, often thought that myself
Remember the days when Jaina could cast three spells, an aura, and her most powerful ability was teleporting 12 people a few hundred metres?
Those were the days.
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Jaina rolls in on her ghost boat zzzzooom