Feral bleeds+bites scaled down?

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To all the “stat guys” that love to cherry pick 3k+ rating where we have 3 players playing and claim since 1 feral is there the whole class must be perfect.

Solo shuffle US stats
1800+ rating - 10th place is Feral 408, there are only 3 specs under feral.
There are 3200 Rets, 2000 DKs, 3600 Warriors. On 9th place we have Rogue with DOUBLE the representation, so it’s not even close the drop off between 9th and 10th place is huge.

2100+ rating - 10th place is Feral 130 , and again only 3 specs under feral. 700 Rets, 700 DKs, 700 Warriors. So Feral is not even close according to the stats.

2400+ rating - 5th place is Feral 49. With 150 DKs, Rets, Warriors. So Feral and the very very top of the ladder is doing better.

Solo shuffle EU stats
1800+ rating - 10th place is Feral
2100+ rating - 10th place is Feral
2400+ rating - 4th place is Feral

What can we take from these stats? Exactly what Snuupy said - Feral is a very punishing class to play. If you ain’t the top 1% of players your gonna have a very bad time playing a spec that has zero survivability. Feral is a hard class and not player friendly class. Feral is FAR from being the best melee spec, so we don’t need any nerfs, the stats actually show we could use some survivability buffs.

Some will say - More people play Warrior / Ret / DK so of course more of them will be higher rated!! Well lets do some math for 1800+

Warriors - 3700
Rets - 3200
DKs - 2200
WW - 1800
DH - 1400
Feral - 408

In the last 24h we had these many game:
Warriors - 15000
Rets - 10000
DKs - 7602
WW - 7800
DH - 6300
Feral - 3000

What do these numbers show us now
9x more WARs have 1800+ rating even though there are only 5x more WARs playing.
8x more RETs have 1800+ rating even though there are only 3x more RETs playing.
5x more DKs have 1800+ rating even though there are only 2.5x more DKs playing.
4.5x more WWs have 1800+ rating even though there are only 2.5x more WWs playing.
3.5x more DHs have 1800+ rating even though there are only 2x more DHs playing.

What does this mean? It seems it’s harder for feral to hit over 1800+ than it is for WAR, RET, DK, WW, DH and for some cases it’s seems you need to play 2x better just to get the same rating as other classes.

I actually do follow the stats and don’t make them up like the trolls do.

Some trolls will for sure focus on the " 2400+ rating - 4th place is Feral" and ignore everything else, but that only proves how bad faith and low IQ they are. They will ignore 99% of the playerbase and just focus on the 1% of the 1% and say everything is ok and screw the 2950 Ferals that are having issues with the spec, cause 50 of them are doing well. That’s like saying billionaires exist and you should be one and if you ain’t it’s a YOU ISSUE and the economy is perfect and there is nothing to improve! Just plain dumb.

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Jenovas if you would spend more time in arena and less in forums you can reach 2400 aswell.
Obviously a learn to play issue

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If you would spend more time reading a book and less in forums you might have IQ higher than room temp.
Obviously a you issue.

Got more useless comments to add to this thread or can I just throw you into mute / ignore already?

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So are you unironically arguing here that in discussions about spec balance and spec performance it is better to look at the lower rated players who are bad/casuals etc instead of looking at the highest rated players where those players know the ins and outs of every spec in the game?

Sounds like a :sparkles: you issue :sparkles:

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Truth hurts i guess. Nothing i didn’t expect from a commie considering your previous examples and analogies.

Feel free to ignore me if your feelings are that sensitive.

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Welcome to the ignore list. Don’t have time to waste on trolls that derail every single PvP topic with “LearN 2 PlAy hahaHAHA! SkIlllL IssSUE lOL!”

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There are ferals in the top and you are stuck at 2k was it? How do you explain that? Bad luck?

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Dont expect any IQ from that person. I gave up. :person_shrugging:
Even Snupy said if you play feral well its good even if it has some issues. So I guess he just cant play well considering his boomie record during its most broken form with 596rounds played :dracthyr_comfy_sip:

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Well, when Feral is factually a top performer, and this is you:

https ://imgur.com/a/U9fzsna

Then yes, it is a ‘learn to play, you have skill issues’.

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The real stats are showing Feral as one of the worst performing melees.
1800+ - 10th place
2100+ - 10th place

And it’s not that we don’t have ferals playing, the match history actually shows us that it’s 2-3x harder for Feral to hit 1800+ than it is for classes like - WAR, RET, DK, DH.

Let’s follow the stats, not the trolls. Let’s focus on all the stats and not just cherrypick them like the trolls do.

Ferals need a survivability buff, the stats prove that, top ferals say that, top PvP players say that, PvP commentators say that, channels that specialize in PvP say that. Don’t let the trolls get to you guys, just ignore / mute and the forums get so much better.

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To increase a bit of survivability on your feral I suggest you put 2 points on Tick hide ( 6% less damage is a lot ) and take out the points from the healing part like wild growth ecc and put them in the balance part of the tree to max out your spell and melee range it will help a lot staying out of the fight and avoid collateral damage
Also the 2 points on well horned istinct are wasted ( heal does nothing )
Also don’t play with 4 set, you lose to much versa and the bonus is useless
2 set is enough and you can get better stats distribution
You should have around 38-39% versa with mark on in PvP atm

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I already play thick hide + barkskin absorb + Heart sometimes. :smiley:
I also play 1 point in “well horned istinct” :smiley:

Don’t know if youre looking at my current build or what, I might have been trying to test out stuff recently (havent played for a week so not 100% sure), but I basically have 2 builds that I always play and they are the most standard builds - one ST one AoE.

Recently I was trying to create a Convoke build but that just sucks in Solo Shuffle, so maybe that’s why my build / gear is messed up.

I also play 2 set, 4 set is mainly for PvE. I actually have around 41% vers I think with mark in arena. I have Vers + Mastery gems + I often play haste ring just to get that extra vers in games I see I’m the target. When I’m not the target I’ll play 2x mastery rings and rarely 3-4 set.

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‘The forums get so much better when all you can read is an echo chamber!’ Who’d have thought?

Quite literally proves that it’s a skill issue when 2700 + solo shuffle has Feral as the 4th most represented DPS and 2nd most represented melee DPS.

But yes, let’s buff Feral Druids even more so the hardstuck 1600 Ferals can hopefully break 1800 and so the ones that actually have a brain can never lose to anything. Smart!

Oh, and in actual co-ordinated 3s:

Why has no Feral argued about this yet?

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They all have you on ignore😂

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Lmao probably

Ah nvm at 2700 (rank 1 range) in 3s Feral has been overtaken by a few things. Immediate buffs needed.

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May i suggest the diablo 3 solution? Change 2 set bonus to 100000% increased damage to rake?

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Hmmm could be good but defensives are still lacking. Maybe Regrowths used with Predatory Swiftness should be an immediate full heal

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  1. I checked pet damage after match and was less than 3m. Only 2 rounds against dk. You can say 42m if it makes you happy.
  2. Melee lobby with 2 plate wearers. Makes it more broken.
  3. Feral went 5-1.
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  1. 3mln DMG would be really low, I can do 3mln DMG to DK pets in a single match with the AoE build. So either the feral was bad or the DK was bad :smiley:
  2. Feral DMG is all bleeds :smiley: This might be a surprise but Bleeds ignore armor, just like spells ignore armor :smiley:
  3. Got my answer to 1. Seems like the whole lobby was bad :smiley:

EDIT:
A single game is not enough data to say something is OP. Some low IQ people try to claim that just because a feral had a perfect game and ended with top DMG with an AoE build vs pets that must mean feral is OP and the best melee. Unlike the trolls I actually follow the stats and stats show feral is 10th in representation in 99% of the bracket. If feral is as OP as these trolls claim why aren’t people playing feral and why don’t we see more feral in the 1800+ bracket?

Why do the stats show that an average feral requires 2x, 3x and sometimes 4x the amount of games to hit the same rating as DH, DK, RET, WAR? Are all ferals just bad? Or maybe just maybe there is a serious flaw in the class? Maybe just maybe feral is weaker than other classes? Maybe just maybe other classes are stronger and easier to play? Or maybe just maybe 99% of feral are bad at the game? :smiley:

Also during AWC we’ve seen feral at the bottom of the charts in almost every single game. That just proves that even for the pros it’s super hard to perform well with feral, so my guess is that maybe just maybe feral needs some changes to be viable.

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Dont bother. The man got excuses for everything.