Yoshi P and the FFXIV developer team have always wished WOW well. In fact when Shadowlands was announced, they tweeted something along the lines of “See you in the Shadowlands.” The rivlary between the two games is something cooked up by streamers and the gaming media.
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And in MOP people complained, then came WoD which people complained about
In Legion people complained, then came BfA which people complained about.
Yes in hindsight MoP and Legion were good expansions overall but at the time they were just as vociferously complained about as the poor expansions were.
I do get that a little negative feedback is good but the vast majority of the negativity holds no intrinsic value as far as feedback is concerned because it is mostly hyperbole and the remainder just gets buried.
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Mr Yoshida is as Japanese as they come. Lovely interview, the humbleness is overwhelming.
Blizzard has set some astounding records with their games.
World of Warcraft managed to hook so many people for all these years, that’s really impressive. Just look at the Shadowlands sales record, people LOVE this game. Overwatch was game of the year when it first came out, it was absolutely hysterical. Even though I never touched an FPS before, I loved it.
These people know how to make games (or at least used to), but their attitude is killing them.
Arrogance, defiance, overconfidence and greed is what took over this once shining star of the gaming industry. When you stop caring about your customers is when you lose them.
Do I think WoW is dying? No, but the glory days are gone and there’s slim chances that they’re ever gonna return. It will take a lot of work and a shift in their mentality to gain people’s trust and respect.
That’s a really weird take.
It’s more that simply FF14 is never going to be able to reach what WoW did, no MMO ever will.
Did? Probably not. Does? easily.
Eh?
Does reach 12 million subs?
Did means, reach 12 million.
Does is for present. The current sub count of wow. Which i’m saying, he can make his game surpass that easily.
The point is, When does anyone put an easily accessible limit to his goals? He’s striving for that mountain. As hard or as impossible as it may be.
They wrote a web novel about server issues caused by player influx in FF14 that’s like 3 pages long. I wish we had that type of communication in our game but nah, best they can do is fire the customer service because they lack funds obviously. A lot of problems would be solved by talking to people. Especially in Europe, which Blizzard probably considers it’s lowest priority market at this point.
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I actually don’t think it ever could, at all, it wouldn’t be in his design philosophy of how he took the game as far as it has to start having to cater for everyone to maintain that subscriber base, whilst having to totally redesign the game again so that it isn’t a seasonal login but more akin to WoW, he would do neither
I’d say it’s more slapping some reality on people and just being honest with the viewer, one of his core principles since he saved Square.
to be honest, he seems genuine. Not a corporate robot that talks out of a paper.
And he liked what wow was. And he respects it.
He generally is humble, so he doesn’t expect to ever reach WOTLK levels of subscription. However, he’s trying his best to make his game as good as it gets.
And nowadays, with the sudden surge of players, Instead of becoming too full of himself, he’s just appreciating all the support he’s getting from playerbase.
That’s not what he said in the interview. When asked about it he said “there’s no way” Square Enix could compete with that. Yoshida compared WoW to Everest, saying that such a high number “is completely beyond reach.”
I feel bad for this Yoshi dude… If FF keeps growing, Eventually it will reach a point where he will need to rely on others for responsibilities and inputs. And in a Japanese work place it’s considered rude to be critical to your superiors in the many ways critique might come.
There is a special way about it they have to do it. The work load for this guy ahead of him is gonna be a huge energy burn on his behalf if he goes the usuall japanese ‘‘Shoulder it all on my own’’ way.
“It’s more that simply FF14 is never going to be able to reach what WoW did, no MMO ever will.”
Yep, 14 is just not good enough to make such numbers.
However I don’t agree that “no MMO ever will”
Someday there will be new MMO which will make even bigger numbers, because right now there’s much more online players than in the past. And will be even more in the future. So it’s definitely possible to make more than 12mln subs.
And it will be new king of mmo.
This game will have to offer everything that WoW does. But made better with some unique ideas and better technology
- Immersive open world, which is really open like in WoW (without plenty of instances like in FF14). However it will be sandbox mmo or theme park with many sandbox elements. So world will be really very alive.
- Good story in interesting universe
- Pvp (in open world, arenas, some kind of bg’s)
- Pve (raids, dungeons which works similar to m+)
- Gear treadmill (probably only in pve)
- Great combat
- Holy trinity (only in pve)
- Regular updates (with content for everyone: casual, midcore and hardcore players)
- Esports
Until this day WoW will be mmo king.
And games like FF14 or NW, GW2, ESO […] won’t be new king of the genre because these games just don’t offer enough of content and game modes as WoW.
For example people overhype right now FF14 but numbers show otherwise. This game has only 1mln subs right now. So how can SE think about being bigger than current WoW? And if they can’t be bigger than current WoW, then how to get numbers like during wotlk? It’s impossible.
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You never know when next Among Us will happen. What is important from current situation is that players are leaving WoW dissastisfied and aren’t bribed to return by a patch 8 moths after breaking Blizzard mentality that they are to big to fail and that they are “the king” so they can’t loose.
All it takes is better-than-Legion expansion to have supreme numbers for WoW but if Blizzard won’t see problems and won’t admit it then there will be less and less chances for Legion to repeat.
WoW is MMO RPG while FF14 is RPG MMO with different concepts of the game. Ashes of Creation and New World will also be different so it’s hard to expect a new game to be “like WoW just bigger” to be a good idea or even a plan for a game at all.
And what content does WoW offer? You play a patch and not the expansion nor the game. Your Legion legendaries are dead, your BfA neck and essences are dead and 9.1 makes your 9.0 investments severely devalued by catchup and other changes. One of reasons people aren’t happy with 9.1.
WoW got timewalking but it’s quite shallow to what FF14 implemented where you start at level 1 and things aren’t obsolete and if you want to join lower level content you are more properly scaled down. Still not “as it was back then” but still functional and challenging.
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The most interesting part I like from FF14 is the Main Quest Campaign. This allow players to play all the story of the game in order in a linear way, wich in WOW is impossible. I stop raiding in WOD and since then I am only played for the story, but lately I fell that is not even worth because how a mess is in the game to play the story it is impossible to follow the story.
And that only takes into consideration how the how the game allow the player to play the story in a way that makes sense, without taking into consideration its quality. It is like a TV series whose chapters are dissorder, the story could be good or could be bad, but I will prefer one that have everything in order.
You know what i hate? (well hate is too strong a word, ‘am annoyed by’, i should say), all the humble-brag posts in favour of a game that hasn’t done anything to beat WoW. WoW has beaten itself.
For someone who doesn’t raid, Korthia is depressing in its shallowness. Both Mechagon and Nazjatar were of decent size, were visually stimulating, had fun and interesting quests and really nice rewards, Korthia is a shadow of those two in every area, so i can understand why so many people are upset. In my opinion however, if Pandaria were released today it would still be a million times better than an MMO with a copy/paste Korean-themed art-style, unappealing, botox-faced races, and a corny jrpg story filled with a million cut-scenes and reams of text that kidnaps you, and simply won’t leave you to go and do your own thing.
As for Sir Asmonbald, i don’t believe that he prefers FF to WoW for a second. All you have to do to see that is notice his facial reactions to the frilly dresses, sparkly stars and furry fairies blowing trumpets whilst break-dancing, he’s obviously hoping the competition will push WoW into making great content again, and so do i, because if the Blizzard devs continue in the Korthia mold they may as well dispense with that tiny patch of boring land, and just mail us our raiding gear in the post.
He clearly said he still loves WoW and does play it. Due to state of WoW he started playing other games for streams and people really wanted him to try FF14 towards which he wasn’t that keen and enthusiastic. Was it long patch cycle or whathaver - he decided to try it which become a big event. He tried it, liked it and will play for now - but what’s huge is that he changed perception of FF14 for many western players - for Asian game this is huge and even if all ex-WoW players go back to WoW they will have higher growth on their own.
He also stated that all it takes to “return to normal” for WoW and player exodus is just a Legion or better expansion. Wherever it will be 10, 11 or 12.0. People will be waiting. However if Ion will go on stage and explain why we will like 10.0 “systems” then it’s ovious it will take more time to get that expansion we all want.
People don’t quit MMO because current patch is bad, but rather because it was bad for a long time to a point where that relationship/addiction breaks. FF14/ESO/New World/Ashes would have no chances getting WoW players during Legion or MoP, but can milk easily during BfA, SL…
9.1 is the first tier since Legion I stopped playing. I won’t be back for 9.2, I have to much hatred right now. I have 5 days of sub and I’m looking for reasons in Classic TBC to not resub. I did try FF14 and I really like it although I’m still in MSQ and I’m not sure how gameplay feels like when you are at “current patch” - at minimum I’ll play it like Cyberpunk - to “get the story the end”.
Pfffsph. I’m gonna play some Command and Conquer Remastered when I get home…
in bfa people complained, then came Shadowlands which people complained about
Yeah FF14 didn’t beat wow. Wow just slip on all banana on the ring and finish to ko himself. While FF14 is still just standing.
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