18 secs is the magic number
No. Nope. Always be casting, ABC. Its the golden rule of casting, you cast your first blast during the rune cast regardless. Theres plenty of time to see where your procs are.
Fire blast during rune. Lucid is on the gcd and fireblast has a 1/2 gcd, which is why you cast it during longer casts.
Casting Memory starts a GCD, and by the time it is off you can start casting RoP. You do not lose a cast this way at all (instead you do not waste a Heating up proc right at the start if Fireball that lands does not crit.) During Memory’s GCD you can already see if your fireball crits or not, and start your RoP cast with either a Hot Streak or a Heating Up.
No cast is lost here, this pre-caution just makes sure that you do not waste your Fire Blasts’ Heating Up proc. I should have expressed myself better with that statement, since I did not mean that you stand idle while fireball is flying (you are already setting your combustion up which incurs GCDs.)
Fire Blasting during Memory’s GCD ensures that atleast one charge of it is on cooldown sooner while you are waiting for the GCD and the RoP cast to finish.
But fb triggers a half gcd which is likely to prolong rune and mess up your trinket timing a bit. The people who really know what they are talking about cast it during rune cast, check out the pinned messages on the discord.
Come to think of it, I don’t think fb can be cast during a gcd
I can only recommend giving it a try at the training dummy. I always cast my FB during Memory’s GCD and I have no issues. You are using your second on-use after you cast meteor either way. FB triggers half a GCD but only on itself.
I am basing this on Preheet’s timings, personally. I even checked a few of the top fire mage logs just to make sure just now. In All of them the rotation they went for (beside one, who used fireball until he got a heating up proc before he started his rotation) Fire blast>Memory>RoP>Meteor+trinket+Combustion combo.
Hi there.
This assumes you are using Flame On for 3 x Fireblast and use 1 x Fireblast at start to get a heating up proc:
Rune of power is also recommended right at the start and as your casting it you can let off the 1
Fireblast for a little bit more recharge time whilst finishing the rune of power.
** Also if you have the mechagon bracers.** (bis for fire)
#showtooltip
/castsequence reset=40, Combustion,Memory of Lucid Dreams, Fire Blast, Pyroblast, Fire Blast, Pyroblast, Hyperthread Wristwraps, Fire Blast, Pyroblast, Fire Blast, Pyroblast, Fire Blast, Pyroblast, Fire Blast, Pyroblast, Fire Blast, Pyroblast
Step 1: Rune of power
Step 2: 1 x Fireblast whilst Rune of power cast still finishing.
Step 3: Mash the macro to infinity and beyond, or till you cant cast any more, then swap back to manual mode.
Step 4: Weave a Meteor in at pretty much any point with another button whilst combustions on for more damage.
And a Meteor at cursor macro to also save some time:
#showtooltip
/cast [@cursor] Meteor
Btw you can get a lot more bang for your buck by focusing on haste and versatility in general during the combustion window.
Crit: 33%
Haste: 21%
Mastery: 14%
Versatility: 20%
I’m not sure if this really is optimal. Are you not supposed to use the mecha bracers when you’re out of fireblasts? This isn’t something that’s set in stone with lucid minor procs and the low fireblast cd that lucid major/hero/lots of haste can give you.
Ye I agree bracers shouldn’t be in there, meteor could be if you make sure your cursor is ready, also no on use trinkets!
Secondly, what a boring way to play the game!
If cast sequence work like you press the macro and it will cast the next thing in the sequence, then this is quite bad.
First off you don’t wanna use lucid inside combustion, that’s a wasted global. Next off bracer use are not consistent, it’s based on procs, so having it in a cast sequence makes no sense. Also i guess this does not allow for scorch weaving.
This macro will make you get a bad/mediocre combust every time.
If you insist on using this, then i would maybe make it lucid, fire blast, rune of power, fireblast, meteor combust. That way you don’t need the crit before hand + you waste less by combusting with meteor, but ideally you meteor and then combust right before it lands. Also take bracers out of this and use them manually.
Well thanks for all your replies guys. I get so little time online these days that I don’t really have time to read them all right now, but I picked up at least 1 useful bit of info (about the meaning of double active) and it seems like there’s other useful stuff there too, if I get the chance to read it: tbh right now I really need a beer and haven’t even done by Hearthstone dailies yet! I used to do PvP only pretty much before this xpac, but so much PvE to do these days and I get very little time online. Anyway, time for beer + Hearthstone.
You can fish for a heating up proc if you like using normal Fireball and the macro would just look like:
#showtooltip
/castsequence reset=40, Combustion,Memory of Lucid Dreams, Fire Blast, Pyroblast, Fire Blast, Pyroblast, Fire Blast, Hyperthread Wristwraps, Pyroblast, Fire Blast, Pyroblast, Fire Blast, Pyroblast, Fire Blast, Pyroblast, Fire Blast, Pyroblast
Personally I don’t see the point if you want to make sure your nuking from the get go and of course this makes full use of Rune of power instead of getting a proc then casting Rune of power.
Wasted global?
Well if you insist you can use Lucid Dreams first, but considering I use fireblast as a opener, I don’t consider it a waste to start making it recharge faster right away.
And bracer on use has a 2 min cooldown, which lines up nicely with Combustion and Lucid dreams having a 2 min cooldown.
Edit
Actually thanks for some of what you suggested, tried this instead and its not bad:
#showtooltip
/castsequence reset=40, Memory of Lucid Dreams, Combustion, Fire Blast, Pyroblast, Fire Blast, Pyroblast,Hyperthread Wristwraps, Fire Blast, Pyroblast, Fire Blast, Pyroblast, Fire Blast, Pyroblast, Fire Blast, Pyroblast, Fire Blast, Pyroblast
Just to be clear this is casting:
Then spamming the macro.
I do actually have trinkets on a different button so I can use them as and when required.
Boring from your perspective perhaps, personally I just find it useful for not screwing up the nuke phase with half a dozen different buttons all over the place.
But by all means log into boralus, come to the training dummy and lets see who pulls the bigger numbers on purely manual vs some automation.
Such thing purely depends on procs… procs that the manual approach will be more able to benefit from, by the way. See, thing is… with all the random procs that might give you extra haste (and lower your fireblast recharge time), hero and lucid dreams minor procs that reduce the fireblast cooldown, you’re not able to just macro the bracers at one set point and be 100% certain this will be the most suitable timing that allows you to dish out the most fireblasts. Sometimes absolutely nothing will proc and you’ll want to use bracers after your third fireblast, sometimes you’ll be able to dish out 5 of them before you run out of charges and end up still having fireblast charges on your second rune of power. Doing the combustion rotation manually will let you benefit from the lucky procs, automating it will force you to assume the worst case scenario and lose dps on many openers.
I get what your saying coldshade, but my approach at least lines bracers up consistently. Whilst your wasting extra time looking for those procs that may or may not occur.
As noted the only way to properly compare would be to have a side by side try out on a target dummy.
If your method is that much better, Ill happily try it.
This won’t really give us much of an indicative since we both have differing gear.
I did give the manual method a go, but honestly it just extends the cooldown time on the bracers compared to lining it up with actual combustion and lucid on my current macro.
But to each there own, new fire mages may find it helpful. : )
Think i might have misunderstood this one, i thought that if you pressed it with 2 things that are not on GCD with eachother it would cast them at the same time like:
/cast Memory of Lucid Dreams
/cast Combustion
So yea my bad, just misunderstood that, don’t usually use castsequence macros.
That’s not really what i was criticizing, it’s that depending on lucid procs in combustion window you will wanna use bracers at different times. You want to use it when you’re out of fireblasts and your last 3 casts were FB > Pyro > FB
which is not always where you put them in the castsequence.
Put lucid infront of this and add trinket in with combustion.
Out of curiousity if you go into your second without enough fireblasts?
I know this wasn’t directed at me, but it’s a thing you don’t really need to do, you can just compare logs.
Now all of it is not just the methodical difference, there is also some gear.
You’re 466 and i am 467 on the logs i checked.
Yet you do around 130k-140k in your combust, while i do 245k-260k on the pure ST fights i checked. Now as i said there is a gear difference, but i also checked casts during the combust, more specifically pyroblast, since it’s most important.
Now you generally get around 5-6 pyros, where i get 9-10, now that is a big difference, that i would argue is down to humans optimizing better on the fly than a set castsequence.
Now i agree that it could help newer fire mages performance-wise, but i certainly don’t recommend relying on it, and would much rather you spend 1-2 hours practicing on a target dummy to get it down properly.