Actually they don’t it’s pretty much an unwritten rule that most premades fold after losing one flag which basically makes the matches last not much longer than stomping pugs all day.
All I can say for wanting 5 x rep/honor is ROFL.
A simple fix is to remove rev cap in Ashenvale. Rep grind is what’s currently driving the premade situation. Remove that and you remove 80% of premades. I’m not even sure why people are so driven to get exalted before the next phase anyway. The lvl 40 epic bracers are probably not even going to be BIS in comparison to the lvl 40 raid loot if BFD is anything to go by.
Ironic, really; I’d say playing with others, forming/joining a group to maximise chances of winning a PvP encounter, is exactly how one should play the game.
Queuing solo incessantly, all-the-while knowing premades are out, and never amending your playstyle? That’s playing the game suboptimally.
Just play Dragonflight BG’s. Retail is designed for solo players like you. People play classic, cause it is social mmorpg game. If you would watch old videos of Blizzard, they always were encouraging grouping up with guildies, friends, or people from the world to queue BG’s.
People have been playing solo & in groups in classic WoW since the day it was released, that will not change back then and not now as well.
I don’t see how you can’t enjoy classic WoW while at the same time believe that the current state of PvP is not healthy when it comes to the BG’s. No one says group content is not important, or that socializing is not important for the game and all of that.
The issue is when there is a system in the game, which prevent all the people to enjoy the game what ever way they choose to play it in, and just because it’s an MMO it doesn’t mean solo play is not a thing. Most people wouldn’t want to admit, they probably spend most time solo in an MMO even in classic WoW more than in a group.
So this make no sense. There is no excuse to keep it this way and no this change will not effect classic to make it into retail. That’s just BS.
The problem is that Solo BG defenders never have valid argument, they just post their texts out of emotions. BG’s are alive than ever before. Over 150 WSG’s running not even on peak hours and days. Queue timers are 1-3 minutes.
Because in other versions people didn’t care about WSG reputation, everyone spammed AV instead. Remove exalted reputation farm, and there will be 10 wsg. Not because your premades make the game much fun
Exactly! I want premade to shine to it’s maximum potential meaning I want to see premade vs premade fights to be about tactic, fun and strategies and not fighting against solo group of players and farm them at their GY to get the honor they need before capturing the flags to end the game.
This is what I want to change, but of course those who defend this either don’t get it or they want to benefit from this behavior which is why they want to keep it for them regardless what it does to the whole community.
Those who I’ve seen defending this doesn’t really care about premade groups they only care what they get out from it.
The thing is, what will be so horrible about implementing 2 queue system or a system based on a higher probability to match preamdes if u are playing premade?
What is the downside? We actually gave solutions for the people who cry about preamdes not forming, as you can incentive to do so by implementing a bonus in rep/honor gained. Do you really enjoy the state of the pvp where you smash or get smashed without any in between, 7-8 times out of 10? In what world is that a enjoyable pvp experience? Just a bunche of insecure, handless gamers can feel that rewarding in any way. And I’m telling you, I’ve been in both sides not finding it enjoyable from one or the other.
That’s not how pvp should work in any game. The lack of arguments against those changes, are just to consider.
As pointed there, the only people who complain about those upgrades are people who just want to abuse the actual state of the game, trying to climb elo or rep to raise their ego while not enjoying what pvp means at any point.
Yesterday I played a BG by solo queuing and it was the most balanced BG I’ve done in a long time, and I so enjoyed it. Even if we would had lost that one, I’d go out from it happy.
Those type of BG’s are super rare and what makes classic feel like classic. Only if this was more common…
Not an equal chance at all. As one who spent years in the solo queue getting Conqueror, it will then boil down to gear and communication. I used to have lots of macros i’d spam at the start telling people what to do. I used to instruct the randoms back then far far more than any premade i’ve been in in SoD, and it worked, stats prove it. Like… nobody at all in solo queued SoD WSG offers any comms or tictacs at all, perpetually dumb. Would that be allowed then, having a BG leader ?
I did that yesterday in my BG, I was the leader trying to get the communication out there by text to win the BG and we did! It was close but we managed to do it and the reward and feeling of accomplishing that there is no greater!
The thing about joining solo queue, the difficult part is to communicate with everyone but it’s doable. What I meant about equal chance is that both sides joins the same way, meaning it’s up for the group that was randomly formed to communicate with each other and try to win the BG.
Eventually when pve premaders reach exalted so we will be left with rankers. Hopefully there is more pve players and the numbers for premade will go down and solo pvp players will get more quality games.
Your entire post is crying. ‘I’ have nothing to cry about, I like the game as it is. ‘YOU’ have a lot to cry about because people playing together just doesn’t fit your ‘i have no friends’ play style.
I’m assuming you’re dog shiz at PVP and are just venting on this forum to try regain some faith that ‘No it’s not you it’s obviously the game mechanics’? I queue solo and stomp some and lose some drastically. I like learning how I can play different and even love interfering with the 4 priest meta pre mades.
Why must people get butt hurt when they lose? Maybe go buy a switch and play some games that you’ll win at??
I think the biggest issue people have right now talking on the forums, is specifically losing against premade groups vs solo groups that farm your GY & doesn’t end the game until they feel satisfied to do that.
To lose a BG it happens, if the game is more equal in terms of both joining in random as solo or both as premade then it’s more equal in that way. Then it’s all about communication and teamwork that mostly wins the game. Those games we want back, not this lame excuse of “pvp” that is going on right now.
I just want to come back from work and chill in solo queue with more-or-less balanced team comps within a click of a button. No matter if I win or lose, at least if there was SOME FORM of matchmaking with a fair roster on the plate with random skill input - I would be fine with it, but we don’t even have that.