The explanation given by Blizzard back in the day was “because the world they created was more immersive when explored from the ground”. My opinion on that statement is that ever since they made it the zone design changed to having more mob dencity and smaller zone sizes (aka lazy). And yes I wpuld like to go back to huge zones with flying in mind.
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Quite the game, remove flying should not even exists/limit it heavily /release 1 year later.
You might wan to buy :
> [Microsoft Flight Simulator - The next generation of one of the most beloved simulation franchises](https://www.flightsimulator.com/)
to enjoy your flying obsession if you fail to see how stupid it is in mmorpg.
Btw your character existence is gatekept behind requiring pc and internet connection not even sayin needign account and money to play what a SCHEME!
you are free to go to HEllfire and fly around a lot of nothingness!
Yes, yes I am, and its still more enjoyable that going on ground in the maw/khortia.
great!
Do what you enjoy stay flying there no need to buy next expac as well !
You can live your whole wow experience there!
You are welcome saved you money.
I wasn’t planing on buying the next expansion.
Also for someone calling other people clowns youbreally do make joke arguments.
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Rather simple actually.
Some will say that it’s to appease the no flying crowd, some say that the zones are not designed for flying etc.
The reality :
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it artificially makes their content last longer, as the player will spend more time to finish quests while using ground mounts. This works good for Blizzard because it does not force them to release content faster. This is good for Blizzard but bad for the player.
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when a new patch is on the horizon, they enable flying in the expansion and call it a “patch feature” , in hopes it brings back people that quit or keep the players subscribed as flying is one of the features that allows them to play the game as they like.
Flying WAS a feature in TBC / Wotlk, now it’s just used as a carrot on a stick to bait people into playing the game for longer periods of time.
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But what if zones were built ground up to need flying? What if we had multiple tiers of separated or floating land masses? Like Korthia should be… What if you flew underneath and gravity flipped and there’s a new zone down there? Like Bastion should be…
I feel like there is only a no flying argument because zones are never built with it in mind. Build for it and the haters will evaporate.
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which shows how out of touch they are with that way of thinking. I’ve done more exploration of the environments with flying than i ever did without and i would probably assume thats the same for alot of people too.
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Personally, I think it’s unnecessary.
I am happy to be riding around the zones on the ground mount enjoying them whilst the content is new and relevant. However, I do think flying should be introduced earlier. Maybe in a .5 patch.
Absolutely loved the terrain in both Revendreth and the Maw. While I’m a huge fan for wide open zones which we rarely see these days I also like zones that are a bit interesting design wise to travel. Nazjatar for example was a great zone in my book. Get gliders and darkmoon cannon to make life easier.
My wet dream would be for flying mounts disabled completely in Warmode, could even remove all the bonus % rewards and I’d still use it.
I always like when we start with ground mounts, I know some people want everything free from Day 1, but I’m cool with waiting a bit.
The experience really is different when you do things on a flight mount.
But yeah, if you suck at the game and die all the time whilst being on a ground mount, then yeah, these people would want this.
I wonder how they play other game, like Dark Souls, wow, you have to walk and fear whatever is out there. Maybe it’s part of the game? Imo, the outside world should be a lot harder.
No, no one said anything about free, there are ways to make flying earnable in day one, gold being the obv choice having to unlock the loremaster and explorer achievements. Also when people say day 1, they usually do not mean instantly (although that would also be coo l), but rather not timegated.
Ooooor we just prefer flaying because the terrain is needlessly tedious to navigate and the mob density is cranked up to 11. I rarely die in the open world even while leveling I just really find it annoying that I can’t go 3 steps without aggroing something. Also zones like Stormpeaks and Icecrown were infinitely more interesting to me than the zones MoP and later expansions had.
What does DS have to do with anything ? It’s a completely different game.
“LoL wonder how people play games like Assassin’s Creed where they need to climb.”
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You know what really trivialises open world content?
Trivial open world content. Ala WQs that are scattered all accross a zone rather than concentrating quests into one area. Meaning that WQs involve more travel time than game time, leading to Bliz making WQs even more tedious…
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How do they play Flight Sim without flying?
At least for Shadowlands it was the .1 update. In BFA and Legion we got it after a year into the expansion.
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Yeah and it only took them ~a year to release that patch, same difference if you ask me. But I will give you this, atleast reps where not a requirement this time.
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Because flying deletes the level design of the game and every zone might as well be a flat plane. This is why other MMOs do not add flying, or add it in a severely restricted fashion.
And it’s not fair to tell someone “Well, just don’t fly”… because flying is such a huge advantage, that it is unreasonable to tell someone not to use it. It’s like telling them “Just slow walk everywhere”. It’s a stupid suggestion.
So while I am against flying as it is implemented right now, I am not against flying in principle. However, flying should come with its own gameplay - enemies should adapt to flying players and, for example - they should fly as well and be able to engage you in the air and ground you. Enemy fortresses, like let’s say Castle Nathria should have anti-air defense and shoot every player from the air.
The main advantage in flying is that it deletes huge parts of the game, and I cannot accept it as an argument. It doesn’t make the game better. It makes the game less. A healthy balance between flying and no flying can be found and the balance is rooted in… RPG.
Using RPG and inherent world sense can be used as a balancing factor. Simply asking the question “is it reasonable to be able to fly here unmolested” is enough. Most of the world - yes, it’s just plains that nobody cares about. But is it viable to be able to fly over an enemy fortress’ walls? Not really. The moment enemies notice people can just fly over their walls, they will put up anti-air defense.
In many ways, flying’s mere existence ruins immersion, regardless of whether a player personally chooses to fly. You just know every enemy defense can be subverted by simply dropping from above, because no enemies in the entire world have set up anti-air defenses, despite all of them knowing of griffins’ existence.
Flying right now in WoW is garbage. But it doesn’t have to be - with more gameplay added to it, it can become an interesting part of the game. The way it is right now, it just deletes the level design and this is why Blizzard staggers it. Flying turns every zone into a glorified loading screen. While when players are grounded, they still have to navigate enemies, roads, cliffs, the world. Even if its not a challenge, you still have to consider it. Flying is just… point yourself in the right direction and press numlock.
Blizzard knows adding world-wide flying was a mistake. This is why they tried removing it completely in WoD. But like many of the mistakes they did, like removing talent trees, respec costs, adding specs, creating a massive gold inflation problem - they can’t just up and walk these mistakes back. So in many ways, the game is cursed to stay permanently in a semi-broken state, because if Blizz tries making the changes the game needs, players will complain.
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If you people would stop acting as if flying is Blizzard’s personal punishment to you and demanding we all get grounded just cause you don’t have any self control, I think that even the sun outside would shine brighter and the world will be better.
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What a huge wall of BS. Also didn’t you quit ?