Flying Mounts

Flying mounts improved mmo experience.

There’s no WPvP anymore, so it’s just matter of wasting your time going through lot of mobs, and being able to fly over and loot ores/herbs or kill certain mob.

There’s no danger in killing level 63 Arakkoa to get to something behind them. It’s just waste of time and worse experience.

Ok then, if you say so.

Guess you’ll see.

Delete flying mountains

Flying mounts is one of the worste one yea… flying mounts and RDF

“Flying mounts are bad” is something we tell poor people who couldnt afford them …

Flying is to this day one of the best things added into wow …

When flying was added into TBC it instantly opened whole world (well outland, but theres nothing to do on max lvl in old world anyway, which is another issue on its own)

Traveling at your own pace, going wherever you want, no mandatory trains and bugged boats, players could be everywhere at once …
You need help ? Anyone can just hop on mount and be with you in few moments.
Everyone is trashtalking RDF for porting you right into dungeon, while I am sitting here, waiting for them to remove stupid meeting stones so everyone has to actually move …

And as PvP main, absolutely fantastic, so much mobility, chasing down gankers, helping your people who are getting ganked.
Good luck starting fight somewhere when people need to spend 15 minutes and 2 boat rides to get to you.

Our guild was one of the first who got Alar on our realm, when someone called out in guild they got ganked, phoenix flying overhead and full glad rogue disappearing midair was last thing many horde players saw …

We once held started absolute slaughter in barrier hills, you would see both horde and alliance players sitting on their faction terraces aldor/scryers eating up and buffing, then taking off and fighting around the ogres, this went for like 2-3 hours, and it was pretty fun since there would be only max lvl players, no undergeared lvl 60 getting caught in crossfire …

No stuff like that would be possible without flying mounts, the only reason why WPvP was active in vanilla is because it sucks and there was nothing else to do.

With outland and/or northrend allowing max lvl players to be basically anywhere, you would never run into anyone with stupid boats and slow ground mounts …

What was bad about flying is, PvE scrubs getting 310% mount for free, druids getting free flying mount that has instant mountup and can harvest herbs without dismount … and later when blizz abandoned flying, not caring about unique zones for flying, adding stupid prequests and timegating and creating boring garbage designed zones that arent even fun to explore …

Bernie would love BFA, when they added item to dismount flying players xD … we would sneak into orgrimmar and dismount AFK players and watch them die to fall dmg …

that was added in mop

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Yes there were some, I mean NetOMatic, there were some other items, but they were rare elite toys or consumables …

While this thing was literally made and introduced for BFAs Warzones …

Nopers, I’ve always had at least 1 epic flyer on my main and it’s always been utterly destructive to the feeling of the world.

That’s only cause it was built for it and it didn’t do so instantly, you couldn’t actually fly till level 70. It’s the same in Wrath, you can’t actually fly till you’re near max level (or, as in WotLKC, have one toon near max level).

Exactly the same happened in Vanilla, you just did it on ground mounts. What you couldn’t do was swoop in, kill someone or ninja a mob/node and then leave before anyone could react.

And then you basically admit flying killed world pvp.

And then saying it kills the world.

Despite how good and awe-inspiring WoW scenery can be, it’s not a game where I like to immerse myself in the environment and waste infinite time finding shortcuts, getting dismounted/dazed constantly.

When you’re level capped it doesn’t really matter that much, since the only danger is being ganked unless you’re in a dangerous zone with elite/boss mobs.

I really like the fact that you are forced to explore and quest at least once in a specific zone before being able to fly in it though.

I mean instantly as “finally I can go where I want” not instantly on lvl 58 …

WPvP was dead because there was no reason to do it on TBC, nothing to do with flying mounts … and even then on vanilla, biggest activity was in few specific zones that were accessible to both factions, were important quest hubs or farming locations … I remember well fights in Silithus caves around each harvest node …
That would be nearly impossible to do in outland when everything is everywhere, if someone ganks you while you farm adamantite in Nagrand, you just move to another one of 4 zones to farm Adamantite there …
Good luck starting fight in badlands or desolace … and good luck getting help without flying mount while you are in netherstorm or blades edge …

And open world was killed by blizz, who keeps ignoring this part for over a decade, with garbage designed zones where only reason to be out is to farm nodes like an idiot …
Flying mounts or not, if your zones are boring garbage sending you in straight line from one end to another as quickly as possible and nothing else, then there simply wont be any people out in the open world …

Do you know which game has active world pvp ? Warhammer online …
Why ?
Whole world is literally one open battleground … imagine if wintergrasp was streched across whole northrend and you could hop into action, to get quests, loot, levels, gear at any level by just walking few meters to the left …

Instead its max lvl afk clown fiesta …

WPvP had all the same reasons to be done in TBC as it did in Vanilla. Flying is what killed it.

That you then go on a tirade proving exactly how WPvP would still be fun in TBC is laughable.

Yes, partly by adding flying mounts. In large part.

There was no reason to do WPvP, BGs were more effective farm for honor and end game PvP were arenas

Whole PvP on vanilla was basically only open world HK farm … if they added TBC arenas on vanilla, WPvP would be dead overnight …

The same was true in vanilla, outside of obviously arenas.

I’m not a fan of arenas myself, but flying did more harm to WPvP than they did.

In MoP there was some item from a northern island. Berny forget

https://www.wowhead.com/item=86584/hardened-shell ?

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Funny how people whine RDF is too convenient and that flying killed WPvP but they don’t want that gone :monkey:

Flying mounts are one of the best Quality of Life changes in any mmo.

Flying mounts aren’t classified as Quality of Life.

They’re a game concept that is incredible hurtful for the world.

You only think they’re great cause the worlds you can fly in are designed to be flown in.

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