For Alliance standards this is a raiding level realm, check for yourself.
Used to be in top 100 EU raid guild on my hunter until i got arthritis in my hands so I think it is safe to say AD is a RP realm mainly.
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I wanted to leave my advice above alone, but itâs very clear to me that OP+Guild came to AD for clout and to be a âTop guild on the realmâ.
AD is not, has not been and hopefully will not be a âfuture hardcore raiding scene PvE realmâ. Thereâs a handfull amazing guilds who clear Cutting Edge and even HoF, but this does not make a realm clearly marked with âRPâ a competitive realm.
Thereâs plenty other realms and a -may I say as I have been in way better guilds- a mediocre Cutting Edge aimed guild would have achieved their goal on rather than the last RP bastion of the EU realms.
I saw my OG server (Moonglade) die due to a great influx of clout chasing PvE players (who also transferred off when the realm died lol) and the RP core transferred off due to griefing, trolling and lolling.
Iâm not saying thatâs necesarily what your guild does, but your attitude sure reeks of the same mentality that killed other realms, notably Defias Brotherhood (albeit due to influx of PvPâers).
TLDR AD is not an PVE Realm, it is an RP realm and should stay that way.
Sincerely your local used-to-rp-but-not-really-anymore bastard.
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Not to our dear oocer it is not, itâs a raiding realm, there is little to no rp in it.
I always thought it was pretty much the other way around, even on aliance, but I what do I know, I just been on this server longer than they have.
Just compared it to Silvermoon, and⌠they got more Alliance guilds on 7/8+ ALONE than AD does for anything beyond 3/8. Sorry, ADâs progress does not even compare. Weâre a RP realm.
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Silvermoon is an absolute titan when it comes to Alliance raiding though, itâs not really appropriate to compare. Itâs also a s**t server, but thatâs for another day.
Ravencrest would be a better example - still a large server, only slightly bigger than AD, but emphatically more progressed.
Anybody who comes to AD with their primary focus being raiding and not RPing is very foolish, indeed. Someone who is hostile to RPing will find themselves outcast even in the PvE-progressed guilds.
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Thatâs actually a fair point⌠I only chose Silvermoon because this is the one I knew. Looking at Ravencrest⌠it proves my point even better. Another Alliance-oriented raiding realm, and it has soooooooo much more serious raiding guilds than AD does. By the way, what makes Silvermoon a 
server? Iâve never played there, so Iâm curious.
You canât be this thick really?
"Argent Dawn (Europe) is a European RP realm. "
That is not a subjective or debatle thing, neither is the actual RULE you litterally said âI donât agree with itâ.
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RP realms should be for RP end of story. If you want to raid and compete with the big boys go on one of the top PvE realms and leave the Roleplayers to do there thing in peace.
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Hey, explain something to me⌠how come your character does not exist on the armory? Iâm confused.
It has all the problems that usually come with servers of that size. Itâs full of people who have an elitist mentality, abuse and toxicity is rife, it is largely unwelcoming, and extremely spammy. People go there wanting to be âthe next best thingâ or âto go where all the pro mythic players are!â, but instead it fosters into a swamp of truly awful people who believe they are unjustifiably fantastic, propped up by highly progressed mythic guilds who want absolutely nothing to do with the former community and wish they were not associated with it, but need to be there for the vast pool of players.
I used my Legion 100 boost on Silvermoon when returning to the game at the end of WoD and immediately regretted it because of the random abuse thrown. One of the first things that happened to me on that server was someone hurling profanity at me for picking a âbad raceâ for my class (it was a Pandaren Shaman).
If you pay attention when doing cross-server activities through dungeon finder or party finder, observe the server someone with an atrocious attitude hails from. Spoilers: itâs practically always one of the âmegaserversâ.
Some big servers are fine, but the juggernauts are awful.
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Oh my⌠so itâs one of these places where everyone min-maxes everything and theyâll get upset at you for playing a non-meta race/spec/class because you enjoy it more?
I donât want to generalise as strongly as to say everyone, because I met some very good friends I still play with on that server (weâre all on AD now), but because of the sheer quantity of people on those servers you will always be near someone with a poor mentality, yes.
Those players must have a really miserable time playing the game, if theyâre so hellbent on min-maxing even the race-class combination.
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Iâll try to pay attention to Silvermoon folk more in my pugs from now on and see if what youâre saying holds true. Itâs an interesting thought and something Iâve not taken into consideration before. Actually, Iâve just checked⌠and the guy who called me a âdirty f-word roleplayerâ because Iâve used punctuation in my whispers was indeed from Silvermoon. 
Yeah nice judging again coming from our self righteous âcommunityâ of roleplayers 
More I read these intellectual conclusions more I am intrigued.
Isnt this exactly what you are doing to people with different interests to yours?
Btw since you are so hard focused on not acknowledging the pve population of the realm how come you are so worried that fate of Defias Brotherhood and other similar realms will happen here as well
Oh we acknowledge it, otherwise qe would be saying why of all realms they choose an rp realm with no intertest in the realm focus (rp not raiding in Ad case) and not a realm proper for their play style?
If you can answer this without âOh plenty people raid here so itâs a raiding realm even thou itâs not.â I will concede.
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Continue not accepting this is the third highest pve ranked in EU (raiding wise)
Out of many many many many guilds
Think of it like this(And please read this)
Your town has ten Community Centers. One specifically for Chess(Which is often always quite full with people who love Chess), the remaining 9 for Football(Neither of which are ever completly full)
The Chess Players are enjoying themselves, and ocassionally also play Football in the field outside their Community Center. One day however, that field is full of actual Football Players, who also start to go inside the Chess building to play Football there.
When asked why, they give three diffrent responses:
- âI like watching Chess when playing Football.â
- âShut up Nerds, You canât tell me where to play.â
- âMy friends are here playing, but chess is boring.â
And as the days go by, more and more Football players go into that community center(For chess), playing directly next to, or over the chess boards or chucking them aside.
Then you have a person like yourself who come in and say âWell, I know the sign for the building say âChess Community Centerâ, but since some people come here to play Football anyway, I think itâs no longer a Chess Center, and who you play Chess should just gtfo and accept that Footballers are here too!â.
See the issue here?
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Alright then, continue being delusional, mistaking your âopinionâ for fact even thou the whole community and the very realm tag proves you wrong, keep at it oocer.
Edit: Yes, it was mentality like your that killed the rp realms, oocers being like â the realm theme, Iâm not here for that and give about it so you rpers better just accept we are here to ruin it and even make fun of you.â Result all RP realms stop being suited for the porpuse they were made for leaving AD as the last one.
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